Does Treliving deserve to be extended?

[activeStick]

Forgot to say, Treliving is a top GM in the league if one looks at things overall. Has pride in being given the opportunity to be GM of the Flames, consistently closes on contracts that are advantageous to the Flames, drafts well with his team of scouts, lacks the ego that many executives have and has proven willing to admit his mistakes and correct them (buy outs, bringing Sutter on after many poor coaching hires, etc) and has won the majority of his trades. He'll get extended for 3 more years and I'd agree that team ownership likely wants him in the organization long-term. I'm just unconvinced it'll be better for the Flames to move him to a VP Hockey Ops position when there's unlikely someone as good that could backfill him in the GM role.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Haven't read the rest of the posts but I'm guessing it's already been shared already but your speculation is wrong (it wasn't widely reported at the time so you likely just missed it and didn't know) since in his last extension, he requested the condition that he be the only decision maker as GM, which implies there was likely people he had to align on with before, but that is no longer the case on the current contract.

I think we all know he asked for full autonomy with his last contract (widely known) and everyone knows the story about how the Ben Bishop trade fell through because he couldn't get a hold of Ken King to sign off. Full autonomy doesn't mean that ownership is hands off and that he's allowed to rebuild or retool if he wants to and I'm not convinced that ownership didn't have a hand in bringing Sutter back.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I think we all know he asked for full autonomy with his last contract and everyone knows the story about how the Ben Bishop trade fell through because he couldn't get a hold of Ken King to sign off. Full autonomy doesn't mean that ownership is hands off and that he's allowed to rebuild or retool if he wants to and I'm not convinced that ownership didn't have a hand in bringing Sutter back.

Most worrisome thing for me is if Treliving leaves then I think it confirms Sutter will basically be GM again.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Most worrisome thing for me is if Treliving leaves then I think it confirms Sutter will basically be GM again.

Possible or they may hire a guy of his choosing. Sutter as GM would be tough to take for fans that lived through his first go-round. He did good work with a core that was in place before he arrived and put some good pieces around with trades but arguably the worst drafting record of any NHL GM.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Bonded

So NHL teams should trade every player who is a year from UFA? I'd say rolling the dice on Gaudreau for another year was worth more than the return he would have got,


I think you are over-estimating his trade value. The one player on that list that was actually traded returned Lindberg, Brannstrom, and a second, which might actually be worse than Frost and a 1st.

Mark Stone was not traded with a full year left on his contract. He was traded near the deadline and had a contract that was going to expire in a few months. Had Ottawa traded him before the season began, they likely would have done better. Plus, if the overall argument is that Treliving is a great GM, we shouldn't hold him an example that turned out to be a bad trade by a below average GM.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Flamesfan05

The question is after 8 years, did his team come close to winning anything? Is the team currently in position to win moving forward?

Until recently, all of the Cup winners have been largely built on assets acquired from 2003-2010. The Lightning/Avs moved that timeline forward slightly, but they were largely built on foundations preceding 2014.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Mark Stone was not traded with a full year left on his contract. He was traded near the deadline and had a contract that was going to expire in a few months. Had Ottawa traded him before the season began, they likely would have done better. Plus, if the overall argument is that Treliving is a great GM, we shouldn't hold him an example that turned out to be a bad trade by a below average GM.

Curious, what do you think a year of Gaudreau would have returned then? I think there is a stigma that he is not a guy you win with and that is why he ended up in Columbus. Philly didn’t want to move assets to get him and the Devils weren’t willing to match Columbus’ contract. What contenders would have trotted out a better package than prospect and a pick