[Signing] Flames sign Mangiapane (3 yrs, $5.8 mil AAV)

[Macman]

Mangiapane also hit a dry spell at a time when the team needed secondary scoring, he also falls down a lot like some one else mentioned. There’s probably other parts of his game the Flames aren’t satisfied with. He’s still a good player and got a fair contract in my view.

He also went to arbitration two contracts in a row, or heading that way before being signed. So that shows a gap/disagreement on what his salary should be.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I do not understand the amount of negativity about Mangiapane. He’s a great player, one of my very favourite Flames to watch. Mangiapane gives maximum effort all the time. He has plenty of skill. He is a good skater, and he goes to the hard areas of the ice. He is a fighter in puck battles. 20, 26, 35 goals per 82 games the last 3 years. Everyone on here seems determined that Mangiapane will not succeed, and I do not understand.

As for the term, the Flames are getting Mangiapane’s prime years. Maybe the AAV should’ve been closer to Kempe’s, but I’d much rather have the deal signed well before arbitration than save $300K.

Maybe I missed a few posts but is there really negativity towards the player? Some fans have varying opinions of just how good he is but the general consensus is that he's a solid player and fans are happy that he's going to be around for another three years.

[Mull]

Regarding trading Lucic ....


It seems whenever a team has an anchor contract the fans seem to think there will be a team out there who needs to get to the cap floor and the fans think they will be doing said team a favor to get rid of said contract, but it seems like NEVER happens. Am I wrong and is there a good amount of examples and not just one offs?

Are people actually going to be disappointing in BT if he doesn't rid us of Lucic at the cost of a FLAMES 4th rounder or less, never mind a 4th coming back?

I know Looch's actual salary is way less then his AVV but it just seems like wrong expectations are set. All I think of is Arizona a couple years ago making bank in draft picks to pick up anchors, and I think that was fairly unique, wasn't it?


If you think we can trade him, what is the trade?

[Strange Brew]

I am really on the fence as to what Mangiapane will be. The production last year can't be questioned and he certainly has skill and talent. He is a solid NHLer that deserves lots of icetime

But he is also streaky and he just wasn't dangerous at all for the most part in the playoffs. These new look Flames will need him to be a difference maker.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Mull

I know Looch's actual salary is way less then his AVV but it just seems like wrong expectations are set. All I think of is Arizona a couple years ago making bank in draft picks to pick up anchors, and I think that was fairly unique, wasn't it?


If you think we can trade him, what is the trade?

To the Ducks for a 5th

[GS Skier]

Originally Posted by Mull

Regarding trading Lucic ....


It seems whenever a team has an anchor contract the fans seem to think there will be a team out there who needs to get to the cap floor and the fans think they will be doing said team a favor to get rid of said contract, but it NEVER happens.

Am I wrong? Are people actually going to be disappointing in BT if he doesn't rid us of Lucic at the cost of a FLAMES 4th rounder or less, never mind a 4th coming back?

I know Looch's actual salary is way less then his AVV but it just seems like wrong expectations are set. All I think of is Arizona a couple years ago making bank in draft picks to pick up anchors, and I think that was fairly unique, wasn't it?


If you think we can trade him, what is the trade?

I don't think Sutter wants him gone. Contracts don't play hockey, players do and the fringe benefit of Guadreau walking is cap space so neither Lucic nor Monahan are life and death cap issues any more.

His play has improved since he left Edmonton (shocker!!) He did run out of steam late last season, so age wins every time yet he's still a handy heavy weight champ to have around and still plays a hard hitting game on a 4th line. One more year is fine with me.

Play him less. Play him 50-60 games ( like Markstrom should be played) and use him when you need him this last season. Maybe he's still got some game left by playoffs then.

Trying to find a trade partner to clear some cap space would be as noted unlikely.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by GS Skier

I don't think Sutter wants him gone. Contracts don't play hockey, players do and the fringe benefit of Guadreau walking is cap space so neither Lucic nor Monahan are life and death cap issues any more.

His play has improved since he left Edmonton (shocker!!) He did run out of steam late last season, so age wins every time yet he's still a handy heavy weight champ to have around and still plays a hard hitting game on a 4th line. One more year is fine with me.

Play him less. Play him 50-60 games ( like Markstrom should be played) and use him when you need him this last season. Maybe he's still got some game left by playoffs then.

Trying to find a trade partner to clear some cap space would be as noted unlikely.

I would think the Flames need another top 6 forward, only way to address that is to trade Lucic to acquire cap space and then make another move

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Mull

I know Looch's actual salary is way less then his AVV but it just seems like wrong expectations are set. All I think of is Arizona a couple years ago making bank in draft picks to pick up anchors, and I think that was fairly unique, wasn't it?


If you think we can trade him, what is the trade?

Rumours were Arizona wanted a 1st to take on JVRs salary.

At that price or close to it, Lucic can stay a Flame.

[Macman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

FWIW, Bratt is asking for $6.5 million, who is a comparable to Mangiapane. The Devils are offering $4.4 apparently.

You would have to think Bratt's agent likes this signing heading into their arbitration tomorrow.

Just signed for one year at 5.45M, less than what Mangiapane got over 3 years.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Mull

Regarding trading Lucic ....


It seems whenever a team has an anchor contract the fans seem to think there will be a team out there who needs to get to the cap floor and the fans think they will be doing said team a favor to get rid of said contract, but it seems like NEVER happens. Am I wrong and is there a good amount of examples and not just one offs?

Are people actually going to be disappointing in BT if he doesn't rid us of Lucic at the cost of a FLAMES 4th rounder or less, never mind a 4th coming back?

I know Looch's actual salary is way less then his AVV but it just seems like wrong expectations are set. All I think of is Arizona a couple years ago making bank in draft picks to pick up anchors, and I think that was fairly unique, wasn't it?


If you think we can trade him, what is the trade?

The advantage of Lucic vs most everyone is he's basically already paid. If the cap had gone up and a team like Arizona needed a salary to hit the floor - he would fit in there and the owner could continue to be cheap. Arizona will hit the cap floor by signing their RFAs but assuming they want to trade people at the deadline like Gostisbehere or Stetcher or they want to trade Chychrun - they will need salary to hit the floor. Lucic is basically free cap filler. Buffalo would be another team if they want to move Okposo or whatever.

That said - Lucic has a NMC so who knows if he'd agree to that.

As for cap trades - they happen all the time. Paciorietty was just traded for nothing because Vegas need cap space. Oilers moved Kassian and picks to the Coyotes, Leafs moved Mrazek and some draft capital to Chicago, Tampa traded McDonogh to Nashville . Those were all in the past few months.

[Icon]

I would guess Lucic would waive his NMC to go back to California, pretty sure he still has a home there.

Until the Ducks signed Klingberg they still had to get to the cap floor. Now that they're ~$2.65mil above the floor I don't think there's still appetite for them to take Lucic, at least not without the Flames being the side to add a pick in the deal to make it happen.

If there's still a move to be made to add another forward and we need the cap space, maybe we see it. But as it stands my guess is the roster is pretty much set for next season other than seeing if there's any surprises in camp.

[SaskyFlamesFan]

I think Huberdeau said Lucic called him after he got traded. I am guessing he is a huge part of this team and trading him might have a negative ripple effect. I hope they hang on to him for this year and then sign him to a more favorable contract extension.

[Huntingwhale]

Really solid deal. Shorter than I had hoped for, but actually longer than I expected, given his agent's comments a while ago about advising his client to take a shorter road to UFA. This locks him up for likely all of his prime years, and makes his contract attractive enough to flip him if a rebuild does start during his tenure.

Not a superstar, but definitely reached higher tiers the past few seasons. Excited to see him in hopefully a top line role.

[Sofa GM]

I think this is a bit of an overpay for a 3 yr deal, but understand why Tre didn't want to take a chance with arbitration.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by SaskyFlamesFan

I think Huberdeau said Lucic called him after he got traded. I am guessing he is a huge part of this team and trading him might have a negative ripple effect. I hope they hang on to him for this year and then sign him to a more favorable contract extension.

I'm pretty sure that Lucic is going to be a Flame this season for better or worse. If he was going to be moved it would have been at the draft as August is a little late to be asking a guy if he wants to waive his NMC for a move to another team.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by flambers

I would think the Flames need another top 6 forward, only way to address that is to trade Lucic to acquire cap space and then make another move

We presently have a defensive lineup (waiver-free) of:

Weegar Anderson
Hanifin Tanev
Zadorov Kylington
Mackey Melosche
Valimaki

(Weegar and Kylington can play both sides)

Assuming we can sign Weegar, it seems to me our best asset to trade is Hanafin and/or Valimaki. I would be shocked if we couldn't get a haul for Hanafin given his salary and pedigree. Assuming a young winger and high pick/prospect.

That being said, I think we are good with our fwd depth.

[Matty81]

Yeah I don't think they should trade lucic either, team lost gudbranson and needs the toughness, he's one of the few vets left with a cup, seems to be a vocal leader and we've almost endured the full bad deal. Be great to see him sign for another year at around a mil for me, perfect sutter 4th liner and would be a good value depth player. Monahan is the guy who is expected to play like a top 6 forward at this stage in his career and deal

[Toonage]

If they want to make any meaningful additions, they'll have to remove one of Lucic or Monahan from the roster.

Monahan has a whole host of questions about his health and will cost an asset to move. They can't or shouldn't retain salary either or that will mess things up next year when trying to fit the new players under the cap.

Lucic has already been shopped, knows this was the case, and has a cap friendly deal to whoever gets him.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by DoubleK

Rumours were Arizona wanted a 1st to take on JVRs salary.

At that price or close to it, Lucic can stay a Flame.

Arizona cares about money. Actual money, not a fantasy number.

JVR was due to make 5M at the draft (1M bonus, 4M salary). Lucic would cost them 0.875M. They aren't comparable.

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Arizona cares about money. Actual money, not a fantasy number.

JVR was due to make 5M at the draft (1M bonus, 4M salary). Lucic would cost them 0.875M. They aren't comparable.

Arizona's past deals would say otherwise.