[News] UPD: Tkachuk arbitration hearing set for Aug 11

[djsFlames]

Need a historical rundown of how this situation played out between clubs and star RFAs to really have a feel on where its likely to end up.

[CF84]

Why is everyone wanting to trade the guy now? The Flames did this so they could have some clarity on the situation earlier rather than going through an extended negotiation period. This will allow the team to decide on a new direction much earlier than if the negotiations were drawn out the entire off-season. Matthew is cutthroat during negotiations and he now has a time limit for being ruthless. I only see this as a positive for the Flames and a brilliant move by Treliving.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I doubt they messed up. I suspect Tkachuk values UFA and expected a big season this year. He calculated that right. But maybe he didn’t expect Gaudreau to jump ship, putting his production in serious doubt.

You might be right about what Tkachuk values, the Flames theoretically should have known that and dealt with the asset accordingly. I suspect if the Flames trade him it will be an underwhelming return for a 24 year power forward who put up 100 points. Not signing or trading last summer left the Flames in a worse position this summer with this asset.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by CF84

Why is everyone wanting to trade the guy now? The Flames did this so they could have some clarity on the situation earlier rather than going through an extended negotiation period. This will allow the team to decide on a new direction much earlier than if the negotiations were drawn out the entire off-season. Matthew is cutthroat during negotiations and he now has a time limit for being ruthless. I only see this as a positive for the Flames and a brilliant move by Treliving.

Oh I think he is gone if they don't agree to anything before arbitration and I take this as a sign Tkachuk indicated he was going to take the QO

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Pretty sure I did not say that. But glad you were able to glean that from that post.

You suggested Flames’ management did not know what they were doing, as compared to the rest of the league, by making this move. That suggests this move is dumb, and no other team has done it.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by CF84

Why is everyone wanting to trade the guy now? The Flames did this so they could have some clarity on the situation earlier rather than going through an extended negotiation period. This will allow the team to decide on a new direction much earlier than if the negotiations were drawn out the entire off-season. Matthew is cutthroat during negotiations and he now has a time limit for being ruthless. I only see this as a positive for the Flames and a brilliant move by Treliving.

Or they thought he was going to accept his QO... basically extends the time period to negotiate a contract.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

You suggested Flames’ management did not know what they were doing, as compared to the rest of the league, by making this move. That suggests this move is dumb, and no other team has done it.

Not sure its a good or bad move....

however not sure I have ever heard of this type of a move before.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by CF84

Why is everyone wanting to trade the guy now? The Flames did this so they could have some clarity on the situation earlier rather than going through an extended negotiation period. This will allow the team to decide on a new direction much earlier than if the negotiations were drawn out the entire off-season. Matthew is cutthroat during negotiations and he now has a time limit for being ruthless. I only see this as a positive for the Flames and a brilliant move by Treliving.

I don’t but if the arbitration proceeds it likely happens. But I think it’s at least 50-50 that they get a deal. There’s a lot at stake for Tkachuk to either go through a year without a new deal, either here or elsewhere. He could be traded anywhere - and depending on location his stats might plummet. In fact he’s most likely to be traded for as high a 2023 pick as possible, so maybe Buffalo or Chicago are interested.

[home_sweet_dome]

There will be no arbitration hearing.

Tkachuk will either sign with the Flames or be traded ahead of the arbitration date.

If negotiations don't really pick up steam soon the Flames have to shop him and allow potential trade partners to negotiate a long term deal with Tkachuk to maximize his trade value.

Simply can't have another Johnny situation here where they lose him for nothing or pennies on the dollar.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You might be right about what Tkachuk values, the Flames theoretically should have known that and dealt with the asset accordingly. I suspect if the Flames trade him it will be an underwhelming return for a 24 year power forward who put up 100 points. Not signing or trading last summer left the Flames in a worse position this summer with this asset.

Maybe. You did, however, just make the argument for not trading Gaudreau last summer.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

There will be no arbitration hearing.

Tkachuk will either sign with the Flames or be traded ahead of the arbitration date.

If negotiations don't really pick up steam soon the Flames have to shop him and allow potential trade partners to negotiate a long term deal with Tkachuk to maximize his trade value.

Simply can't have another Johnny situation here where they lose him for nothing or pennies on the dollar.

There might be a hearing but I agree that he would be traded and signed before the result, which I believe takes a few days.

[Knut]

Does this give a team trying to trade for him more time to get him signed long term. It would be difficult to move him in the next 4 days and have a team trading for him have enough time to negotiate a new deal. Essentially Flames trade Tkachuk and the new team now has longer to sign Him.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

But you would agree it’s a good thing, right? A smart move by Treliving?

Not particularly, and certainly not in the context of this being a situation he created which we were aware of when he signed the contract.

Up to July 22nd (and at any point before) Tkachuk could have accepted his QO of 9M and then walked as UFA next year. He no longer can accept his QO.

However, he’s guaranteed at least that now by mid August if he goes to arbitration and can still walk and be a UFA next year making more than 9M.

So it does nothing but (potentially) hurt the Flames if Tkachuk is dead set on being a UFA.

He can no longer be given an offer sheet, but that means the Flames can’t match an offer sheet and the only poison pill offer sheet that exists is a one year contract worth 9-10.49M which gives them a couple first round picks, a second and a third (over 10.5M and it’s four firsts and I think you have to take the compensation), under 9M or longer than 1 year and the Flames are in a better situation than getting to arbitration.

I think this is a neutral move that both parties probably agreed to while they negotiate, but if not, the Flames are probably more concerned that Tkachuk was not going to accept his QO and hold out, otherwise the upside to arbitration does not outweigh the negatives in this situation.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

There might be a hearing but I agree that he would be traded and signed before the result, which I believe takes a few days.

The MoU no longer allows players to sign after the hearing. You go there and it’s binding. New change.

[Scroopy Noopers]

What a cool feeling it would be if he signed for 8 years with the Flames. It would be like finally getting asked to dance…

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

Tkachuk made 9 million dollars last year, so if they 85% rule if accurate that would be 7.65 million.

Tkachuk made 7 million last season not 9.

As for the team elected arbitration I wish we had an expert on here to talk about that.

My understanding was 85 percent minimum of his contract as the bottom. Is that the previous season, or once a qualifying offer is presented 85 percent of that.

Has any team elected for team arbitration before? I cant recall.

I think it is kinda dirty by the team and I love it. Does not bold well for signing the player but could help with trading the player.

Regardless entertainment!

[Lanny_McDonald]

Was just looking at the arbitration list from 2020.

Tyler Bertuzzi (Red Wings) - still with Red Wings
Josh Ho-Sang (Islanders) - bouncing around trying to catch on
Devon Toews (Avanlanche) - still with Avalanche
Gustav Forsling (Hurricanes) - waived and claimed by Panthers
Victor Olofsson (Sabres) - still with the Sabres
Warren Foegele (Hurricanes) - traded to Oilers
Ryan Strome (Rangers) - still with the Rangers
Brendan Lemieux (Rangers) - traded to Kings
Ryan Pulock (Islanders) - still with the Islanders
Christian Jaros (Senators) - traded to the Sharks, then to the Devils
Mackenzie Weegar (Panthers) - still with Panthers
Hayden Fleury (Hurricanes) - traded to Ducks, exposed in expansion
Sam Reinhart (Sabres) - traded to Panthers
Ilya Mikheyev (Maple Leafs) - UFA to Vancouver
Jake Virtanen (Canucks) - working at Arbys
Connor Brown (Senators) - still with Senators
Chris Tierney (Senators) - still with Senators
Nick Paul (Senators) - traded to Lightning
Alexandar Georgiev (Rangers) - traded to Avalanche
Anthony DeAngelo (Rangers) - traded to Hurricanes then to Flyers
Linus Ullmark (Sabres) - free agent to Bruins
Clark Bishop (Hurricanes) - free agent to Flames
Ryan Graves (Avalanche) - traded to Devils
Kaapo Kahkonen (Wild) - traded to Sharks
Andrew Mangiapane (Flames) - still with Flames, going to second arbitration
Matt Grzelcyk (Bruins) - still with Bruins

26 players. Ten still with their arbitration team. 16 no longer in their organization. So 60/40 you aren't with the team long after arbitration.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe. You did, however, just make the argument for not trading Gaudreau last summer.

I made the argument for not trading Gaudreau two summers ago (when the team had two years of control). I am saying trying to sign an asset in their last year with a club leaves little room for error. I suspect the Flames are a lot closer to the error stage than the longterm contract or quality trade stage. They still have some time to pull something out of the fire though.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Tkachuk made 7 million last season not 9.

As for the team elected arbitration I wish we had an expert on here to talk about that.

My understanding was 85 percent minimum of his contract as the bottom. Is that the previous season, or once a qualifying offer is presented 85 percent of that.

Has any team elected for team arbitration before? I cant recall.

I think it is kinda dirty by the team and I love it. Does not bold well for signing the player but could help with trading the player.

Regardless entertainment!

It’s 85% during the first window (no qualifying offer granted) and player elected. During the second window, here, it’s 100% of his salary, not cap hit. He made 9M last year in salary.

The arbitrator is bounded by a minimum of 9M and a term of 1 year.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by chubeyr1

Tkachuk made 7 million last season not 9.

As for the team elected arbitration I wish we had an expert on here to talk about that.

My understanding was 85 percent minimum of his contract as the bottom. Is that the previous season, or once a qualifying offer is presented 85 percent of that.

Has any team elected for team arbitration before? I cant recall.

I think it is kinda dirty by the team and I love it. Does not bold well for signing the player but could help with trading the player.

Regardless entertainment!

No all of this is wrong. He made 9 mil which is why that was his QO. At arbitration the flames can’t submit less than the QO

So the arbitration award, if it gets to that stage, is $9+ regardless of what arguments or comparables are put forward