Ok. I misread. He didn't call him the word. He just repeatedly used the word to describe people like him when speaking to him. Much better. I guess he shouldn't have been forced to quit and get banished to Siberia.
Doesn't change the fact that Peter's is a racist that only half-assed an apology with crocodile tears in front of his new bosses to get a job.
I'm genuinely trying to imagine how racist someone would have to be to think calling rap music "n***** noise" is:
A. Not referring to people
B. Not as racist as calling a person the n-word
If that’s what was said, it sounds like he was mostly quoting the lyrics. Lyrics which Peters himself found offensive. He should’ve just smashed the ghetto blaster.
Lol. Peters was offended, hadn’t heard that one before. Or he was just singing along, quoting the lyrics?
Peters is well versed at the intro press conference and sounding sincere and repentant. Remember how well he handled the questions about his treatment of Eddie Lack during his Flames intro? All was forgiven.
I suspect location is entirely the reason. Travel in the WHL is all done by bus, and that would be the team with the most KMs to traverse by far. Can't imagine a lot of other teams would be happy driving that far north even for a pair of back to backs.
Lloydminster should have a WHL team.
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Ohhhh, ok. He didn't call a person the n-word, he called rappers the n-word. Got it.
When he said "Hey Akim, I'm sick of you playing that n----r s--t. I'm sick of hearing this n----rs f--king other n----rs in the ass stuff." he wasn't referring to any people as the n-word, right?
He was just calling something else the n-word. What was he calling the n-word again, can you explain it?
Devils advocate here. I'm a huge rap guy but maybe Peter's was tired of the violent gangster rap being played where they often literally state are not a ##### unless unless you commit violent assaults, rape and get money .
There's actually a old boondocks episode that is like this. He is literally a old white dude from three hills Alberta How many black people did he interact with in his life before the majour ledges came calling? I don't condone his actions but growing up in a small town ( Etzikom) I can understand not understanding the n word is traumatic for some .
When I first got into rap 20 years ago I self admittedly called a coworker a nappy headed boy thinking it was a good thing . I listened to T pain alot when he first came out . He called himself that in a positive way all the time. I thought it was okay because he called himself that all the time amd so did other rappers. I was wrong. I'm not some old dude I was very with trends but I was corrected and I changed.
I don't know if Peter's is racist or not . But when I started on the scene because I moved from a smallllllll town to falconridge I didn't know better . I heard it in music and thought it was all cool.
Don't cancel me but I didn't know better at first. I heard the music lead me down some wrong assumptions. I learned otherwise then tried to do better.
I also did find a group of people who let me be more liberal with my terms who shared my interest in hip hop culture through the years that don't persecute me on my speech.
At the end of the day it depends on the person from the community and how they feel on the subject . I got friends who call me their n word and friends who hate it who are black.
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Aliu was awesome in his brief stint as a Flame. I was a fan.
Not a fan of guys in a mentoring/boss role who go out of their way to make life and careers harder on specific people because of their physical traits and/or heritage. You've failed at your job in such a role if you let those attitudes bleed into your work where every young guy under your tutelage is just looking for a fair shake.
Should've apologized directly. Even if it was still rejected by Akim, it would at least have been direct and (hopefully) sincere.
Getting another coach to be your messenger... that's not how it's done. In some ways, that's worse than the bare minimum in this instance. The core of an apology is presenting the remorse for said actions directly to the party that was wronged. Someone that gets it should want to do it the right way, even if it's difficult to.
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I don’t think the other coach was apologizing on his behalf, it sounds like the other coach was reaching out to Aliu to see if he would speak with Peters and accept an apology. In his statement, Aliu said he had no reason to talk to Peters after all this time.
IMO the issue is why Peters waited until this point to reach out to Aliu, not necessarily that he asked another coach to help him make contact.
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Devils advocate here. I'm a huge rap guy but maybe Peter's was tired of the violent gangster rap being played where they often literally state are not a ##### unless unless you commit violent assaults, rape and get money .
I don't condone his actions but growing up in a small town ( Etzikom) I can understand not understanding the n word is traumatic for some .
When I first got into rap 20 years ago I self admittedly called a coworker a nappy headed boy thinking it was a good thing . I listened to T pain alot when he first came out . He called himself that in a positive way all the time.
I kind of get what you are saying. There is no doubt it's about where he grew up and not being exposed to/understanding hip hop and mixing with other cultures will have had some impact here.
But the part i don't get....i don't believe we have heard the full story. How could Peters not have reached out in the past four years to make amends? Unless a lawyer said he can't, i find it hard to believe he didn't attempt. Even a lame attempt. Even if he doesn't feel sorry. Others will have told him to do this. For the sake of his career alone, the chances of him not trying to do something in the last 4 years is remote in my opinion. Think of Peters what you want, but he isn't an idiot.
One thing we can also infer: Akim Aliu is not ready to accept an apology. He's hurt still. From Peters. From his poor treatment growing up. All of it. It's plausible he didn't want to take a message/call whatever from Peters.
As Ted Lasso says....forgiveness is the best gift that he can give...to himself.
I hope he finds a way.
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If this guys is so unable to "read the room" on his own future or fortune why hand him the reigns to their franchise?
We all know a lot of these re-educations and contrition stories are nonsense, but you have to at least do it.
He's thinking (in Karl Childers Sling Blade voice) - "I'll wait til I get a job, then I'll fake cry at the press conference, serve up some word salad, good to go!"
Even crappy people have better survival instincts.
Pete Anholt is the GM. He won WHL executive of the year 2x (2016 and 2020).
He was also recently appointed by Hockey Canada as management lead for the upcoming 2024 U20 tournament.
I'd say far from dysfunctional.
I'm not trying to diminish Anholt. Peter Anholt and Brent Kisio were probably the two best hires this organization has ever made. That still doesn't forgive everything else they've ever done and how the team is run from the top down. Anholt has done the best job of deflecting the Board away from the daily operations but they still get involved and have no clue how a hockey organization should be run.
Poor fellow is identifying some trauma with who he is. Peters isn’t the devil, relax a bit, move on.
On another note, anytime I’ve played rap music around a 60+ y/o male I get the exact same response. None of them have said anything bad to a black person or done any harm to them either. They grew up through the violent gangster rap era and have some sort of distain for the music and say dumb ####. None of them are actually bad people.
So because he is a small town country bumpkin it was okay because he didn't know?
He had no idea what the word was? He could not find something else to say instead of dropping multiple N bombs?
How about hey Akim can you please turn that off?
I guess his apology yesterday just makes things ok now? He tried real hard to drop some tears but even his fake cry was laughable.
Guy lived in Texas, Washington, and Illinois, and at 44 years old was apparently completely unaware that using the n-word was wrong or a slur because he was just a small town country bumpkin from Canada.
That must explain why he thought it was OK at that age to kick and bully players, too.
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Poor fellow is identifying some trauma with who he is. Peters isn’t the devil, relax a bit, move on.
On another note, anytime I’ve played rap music around a 60+ y/o male I get the exact same response. None of them have said anything bad to a black person or done any harm to them either. They grew up through the violent gangster rap era and have some sort of distain for the music and say dumb ####. None of them are actually bad people.
I wonder how they feel about the current climate with these dangerous politicians and their lemmings spewing dangerous rhetoric everyday? They are far more dangerous than this so called gangster rap era that must have terrified them.
Poor fellow is identifying some trauma with who he is. Peters isn’t the devil, relax a bit, move on.
On another note, anytime I’ve played rap music around a 60+ y/o male I get the exact same response. None of them have said anything bad to a black person or done any harm to them either. They grew up through the violent gangster rap era and have some sort of distain for the music and say dumb ####. None of them are actually bad people.
That's an interesting gymnastics routine you have down to excuse Peters and any one in his age bracket regardless of the specifics of their actions, words and intents. From the accounts of those affected and the entire investigation carried out to carefully attain enough information to make a judgment, it's evident he did more than insult and berate rap music one time..
This "at least they're not lucifer!" dismissal of every shade below (/above?) that is also nutty.
Also Peters was in his early-mid 40s when that event occurred.
Guy lived in Texas, Washington, and Illinois, and at 44 years old was apparently completely unaware that using the n-word was wrong or a slur because he was just a small town country bumpkin from Canada.
That must explain why he thought it was OK at that age to kick and bully players, too.
Rockford, less than 50% white and over 20% black and poor Bill is wandering around using the N word wherever he goes because he does not know it is inappropriate. If only someone would have set him straight.
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