[Poll Request] Monahan Off-Season Trade Value (or negative value)

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

Wennberg - 3x4.9M - 1/3 BO; deal was backloaded in cash so it made financial sense(441k x 3; 891k x3)

It was more because he was still under 27. Players under 27 only get 1/3 of the remaining contract spread out over twice the length of the remaining contract instead of 2/3 like those over 27. He was trending downwards for several seasons and still had three more years left at 4.9M cap (5.35M salary).

The Panthers signed him for a single year at 2.25M. Then he bounced back a bit and signed a 4.5Mx3 year contract with the Kraken. Financially, he's probably better off from the buyout. Instead of 5.35M for three years for 16.05M total, he made 5.35M from Columbus (spread out until 2026), 2.25M from Florida, and he'll make 8.5M from Seattle for a total slightly above what he would have received at 16.1M and he has another year at 5M.

But Wennberg and Gostisbehere were both once highly valued, both had strings of injuries, both suffered offensively as a result, both became albatrosses of contracts. Wennberg was bought out, Gostisbehere became a healthy scratch, cleared waivers, and was eventually traded with a 2nd to get rid of him.

Both bounced back with their new teams. Wennberg went from 5 goals to 17, Gostisbehere has been fighting for second place on the Coyotes in scoring with Schmaltz and Kessel (behind Keller) as a defenseman playing 20+ minutes a night.

Athanasiou has struggled with injuries but has 9 goals in 22 games this season, it wasn't long ago that the Oilers didn't even qualify him after he regressed from his last seasons with the Wings to his short stint with the Oilers.

It just seems for like every Galchenyuk or Spooner who fall off a cliff, there's another mid-20 year old player who bounces back somewhat. Then you occasionally run into the Ryan Stromes who not just bounce back but get better after leaving their teams.

I think a couple GMs might think that Monahan is a candidate for a potential bounceback and the downside is likely just cost/cap for a single season. If he bounces back at all, he can be traded at deadline or re-signed, and if not, oh well he's off the team. That's why I don't think it would cost much to move him this off-season. It would be different if he had term, but there's very little risk there.

[CsInMyBlood]

The heart of the matter is Sean Monahan is the weakest link on this team.

He gets paid 6.4 million dollars a year as a one dimensional player that is supposed to score goals.

He has 9 even strength goals in his last 110 games.

He is the most sheltered forward on the team going up against low quality opposition and getting all the offensive zone starts.

His faceoff ability is so OVERRATED. 49.1% even strength in the last 2 seasons, behind Richardson 60.3%, Backlund 52.1%, and Lindholm 51.2%. He just edges out raw rookie Ruzcika who is at 47.6%

He is a -20 over that span.

People in here claiming its his offense not his defense that is the problem, what is this guy paid to do? Hes had multiple chances lately and he fires it into the goaltenders chest or fans on it regardless of time and space. Keep seeing crying about his linemates but why do they all play a better game or score goals when they get away from Monahan?

I'm just happy they acquired Jarnkrok, makes it viable to sit Monahan who definitely deserves to sit a couple out.

He is still a big problem however, 7.8% of the cap is tied to him and we need to give money to guys who actually make this team better like Johnny, Tkachuk, Mangiapaine, Kylington, not to mention making decisions on Gudbranson, Jarnkrok and Zadorov.

[keeper34]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So series winning goal is what you're saying?

I wouldn't be surprised however he is a liability for sure and should not deserved any ice time. He can't even shoot into an empty net at the moment.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by keeper34

I wouldn't be surprised however he is a liability for sure and should not deserved any ice time. He can't even shoot into an empty net at the moment.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So series winning goal is what you're saying?

Got chills thinking about that goal and then fondly recounting that magical year where they were referred to as the comeback kids. I finished that season living in Toronto and watching those games into the wee hours of the morning having started that season in Calgary and going to 10 games (with a 9-1-0 record I believe! Games like the 2 goal wideman/Johnny Shootout winner comeback against the Ducks, or the Josh Jooris Hatty against the yotes, or the Mony OT thriller against the Avs, or even my first ever BOA live where we won 4-2 and the Oiler fans GF by us took my buddies mega Flames flag and waved it on the 4-2 goal to the anger of her BF!)

That year my fandom took it to the next level though, I never missed a game in my 4+ years in TO, even taking 2 hour naps ahead of 10:30 pm starts on west coast swings lol! I love being in the west now, the appreciation I have for game start times here in BC is real and something I took completely for granted before I lived out East. I’ve been a diehard since the Simpson, Bure, Morris, Wilm, Shantz, days of my young youth but I will never forget that Hartley team, incredible stuff.

Cheers for the memories GioforPM

[Winsor_Pilates]

I actually feel like Monahan will have a Stajan like positive playoff moment this year.
And I've been someone losing confidence in him for years.

He's here to stay the rest of this year and hopefully becomes a bonus playoff performer.
His salary cap concerns and the rest can wait until the off season.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

It was more because he was still under 27. Players under 27 only get 1/3 of the remaining contract spread out over twice the length of the remaining contract instead of 2/3 like those over 27. He was trending downwards for several seasons and still had three more years left at 4.9M cap (5.35M salary).

I did mention that he and Spooner were 1/3 BO, which essentially forced the decision. I don't recall CBJ's cap situation, but I doubt he'd have been bought out then at 2/3 that year unless they were really in a crunch. If he had a front-loaded deal they might have found a taker like ARI for a reclamation.

I generally agree with the rest of your post. My point is there haven't been any situations with a C similar to Monahan ending in a buyout or sweetener trade. Brassard/Stastny/Stepan situations are much closer comps than the Vermette/Turris/Nielsen situations.