Coronavirus All Purpose Thread: moving on?

[Sidney Crosby's Hat]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Who is "Craig" and are his assertions reliable?

He is, he had arguably the best COVID tracking for the first 18 months or so after the pandemic with daily updates. But regardless, in the thread, he quotes the doctor himself acknowledging how Denmark treats its data.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Why must you try to take things away from people that you do not like or agree with?

If you want to get your #### and GTFO go on a week day when the store opens or right before close.

Where in my post do I say I want to take something away? I'm saying it's an annoying "feature" because people are selfish a-holes who think of nothing but how fast they can stuff their faces. If people were reasonable, and moved their cart out of the way, and didn't gather a family of 8 in the aisle while they all circled back for thirds, I wouldn't have a problem with it. But people are not reasonable. They are why we can't have nice things.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by jayswin

It's part and parcel with Q talking points surrounding Covid.

"Dont drag me into this..."

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Why must you try to take things away from people that you do not like or agree with?

If you want to get your #### and GTFO go on a week day when the store opens or right before close.

Sorry. It seems the majority of people who go for the free samples are greedy pigs.
The samples are not there for you to stuff your face or give one sample each to everyone in their family.
Costco isn't supposed to be a free buffet.

The free sample hogs can GTFO, or at least get out of the way.

[Firebot]

Considering this thread's has less then 150 posts in 3 weeks, and the highlights were passive aggressive tipping habits and Costco handing out free food samples again, I'd say CP has moved on.

Now if only the morons parading around every Saturday can figure it out

[GGG]

Originally Posted by GordonBlue

Sorry. It seems the majority of people who go for the free samples are greedy pigs.
The samples are not there for you to stuff your face or give one sample each to everyone in their family.
Costco isn't supposed to be a free buffet.

The free sample hogs can GTFO, or at least get out of the way.

I’d disagree, the model appears to be to get people in the store for a free buffet. They have very low cafeteria prices as well. They probably have research that shows the longer you are in a store the more you spend and that by having the free samples people stay longer and spend more.

The probably want everyone in your family to have one because all it takes is one kid to like it to make a sale. In addition you are making kids have good memories of Costco which probably helps long term loyalty as children get older. Greedy irrational pigs is the Costco target customer.

I wonder if their Covid data would show the affect of having and not having samples across various jurisdictions restrictions.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Great, the worst part about Costco shopping is back. Endless groups tripping over themselves to get a morsel of free food, oblivious to those trying to get supplies and GTFO. This isn't the improvement you think it is.

I have an amazing solution to your problem. It is decades long trusted science.

Don’t go to Costco.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

I have an amazing solution to your problem. It is decades long trusted science.

Don’t go to Costco.

I don't go on weekends anymore. People ruined that for me.

[BurningYears]

My turn on the Covid train, double vaxxed and boosted. feel like crap (sore throat/aching muscles/groggy) but can only imagine what it would be like without sciences help. Will get to experience bachelor life in the basement for 5 days now.

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Considering this thread's has less then 150 posts in 3 weeks, and the highlights were passive aggressive tipping habits and Costco handing out free food samples again, I'd say CP has moved on.

Now if only the morons parading around every Saturday can figure it out

AHS is reporting Covid numbers weekly going forward rather than daily. Another (hopefully) positive sign we are beginning to move ahead.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

AHS is reporting Covid numbers weekly going forward rather than daily. Another (hopefully) positive sign we are beginning to move ahead.

Is that a sign of good news, or a sign Kenney made another political decision?

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is that a sign of good news, or a sign Kenney made another political decision?

It's good news. And listening to the various medical experts who have been asked about this all the ones I have heard are of the opinion this is fine.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Is that a sign of good news, or a sign Kenney made another political decision?

Given we don’t do real testing only hospitalization rate matters. Given hospitalization rate is a lagging indicator weekly cases and % positivity is likely good enough for people to make personal risk based assessments.

Hospitalization rate continues to drop.

At some point we will need to deal with DA2 but it appears you can squeak through that without destroying hospitals.

What value do you see in continuing the frequent updates?

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Remember when Canada’s handling of covid was being compared unfavourably with that of Asian countries with a zero covid policy? About that…

Hong Kong just didn't get enough people vaccinated in the oldest age groups. Now I guess you can say that having a covid zero policy made people less likely to get vaccinated - but seems a stretch.

[Amethyst]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Hong Kong just didn't get enough people vaccinated in the oldest age groups. Now I guess you can say that having a covid zero policy made people less likely to get vaccinated - but seems a stretch.

I think having lots of active cases in the community encourages those who aren't in a rush to consider it more seriously.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Hong Kong just didn't get enough people vaccinated in the oldest age groups. Now I guess you can say that having a covid zero policy made people less likely to get vaccinated - but seems a stretch.

I don't think it's a stretch. Talking to relatives in Hong Kong, a lot of people took a wait and see approach to the vaccine. They had a choice of any vaccine they wanted and still didn't get it because the relatively low cases gave everyone a false sense of security. Now everyone is scrambling to get vaccinated but it's already too late for many of the senior citizens.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I don't think it's a stretch. Talking to relatives in Hong Kong, a lot of people took a wait and see approach to the vaccine. They had a choice of any vaccine they wanted and still didn't get it because the relatively low cases gave everyone a false sense of security. Now everyone is scrambling to get vaccinated but it's already too late for many of the senior citizens.

Sure - but you've got mixed results. South Korea is well vaccinated, New Zealand is well vaccinated. There is obviously a way to get people vaccinated after having very low Covid cases.

[La Flames Fan]

Quick question...I had COVID at Christmas and now exposed to it again where some people are testing positive...I continue to test negative, but my question is:

How good are anti-bodies and what do they do exactly?

I've had 3 shots and Covid what are they chances I get it?

Can you transmit the virus even though you test negative?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

Quick question...I had COVID at Christmas and now exposed to it again where some people are testing positive...I continue to test negative, but my question is:

How good are anti-bodies and what do they do exactly?

I've had 3 shots and Covid what are they chances I get it?

Can you transmit the virus even though you test negative?

1. Antibodies are proteins that your immune system makes to help fight infection and protect you from getting sick in the future. When you are infected with a virus or bacteria, your immune system makes antibodies specifically to fight it. Your immune system can also safely learn to make antibodies through vaccination. Once you have antibodies to a particular disease, they provide some protection from that disease. Even if you do get sick, having antibodies can protect you from getting severely ill because your body has some experience in fighting that disease. How long this protection lasts can be different for each disease, each person, or influenced by other factors. Antibodies are just one part of your immune response.

2. Three-dose VE is about 88% for Pfizer's mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 infection. (To tack onto the answer for #1: on the whole, antibodies are f--king great.

3. You shouldn't be able to. But answering this in practical terms is difficult because a negative test tells you the result of the test at the time of the test.

Let's say you come into contact with someone who is positive. You test afterward and test negative; how long after contact did you test? A few hours or even the next day in some instances might not be enough time for your viral load to build to the point of finding the virus through a PCR or rapid antigen test (and the FNR of rapid tests also has some impact here). You may also test too late; if you are positive for a very short period of time (thanks to antibodies making short work of the virus) you might actually test after your immune system has cleared out the virus. You were positive, but you tested when you were already negative again.

You should not be able to infect others if your viral load is so low that you test negative in the first place. Whether or not you're negative at the time of contact is a whole different thing and much harder to nail down.

If you think you have reason to be concerned, there is no harm in distancing or wearing a mask to mitigate that risk (or even just staying home for a couple days if you're really worried). But I think you'd be in a minority of people who wouldn't take their test at face value.

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

1. Antibodies are proteins that your immune system makes to help fight infection and protect you from getting sick in the future. When you are infected with a virus or bacteria, your immune system makes antibodies specifically to fight it. Your immune system can also safely learn to make antibodies through vaccination. Once you have antibodies to a particular disease, they provide some protection from that disease. Even if you do get sick, having antibodies can protect you from getting severely ill because your body has some experience in fighting that disease. How long this protection lasts can be different for each disease, each person, or influenced by other factors. Antibodies are just one part of your immune response.

2. Three-dose VE is about 88% for Pfizer's mRNA vaccine against COVID-19 infection. (To tack onto the answer for #1: on the whole, antibodies are f--king great.

3. You shouldn't be able to. But answering this in practical terms is difficult because a negative test tells you the result of the test at the time of the test.

Let's say you come into contact with someone who is positive. You test afterward and test negative; how long after contact did you test? A few hours or even the next day in some instances might not be enough time for your viral load to build to the point of finding the virus through a PCR or rapid antigen test (and the FNR of rapid tests also has some impact here). You may also test too late; if you are positive for a very short period of time (thanks to antibodies making short work of the virus) you might actually test after your immune system has cleared out the virus. You were positive, but you tested when you were already negative again.

You should not be able to infect others if your viral load is so low that you test negative in the first place. Whether or not you're negative at the time of contact is a whole different thing and much harder to nail down.

If you think you have reason to be concerned, there is no harm in distancing or wearing a mask to mitigate that risk (or even just staying home for a couple days if you're really worried). But I think you'd be in a minority of people who wouldn't take their test at face value.

Thanks so much, that clears a lot up! Cheers