Joe Rogan cancellation watch

[blankall]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

The religious right was entirely mainstream for pretty much my entire life - they weren't extremists by any reasonable definition even though there were obviously extremists among them. Nor are the people expressing this authoritarian impulse on the right nowadays. The "woke" element on the left is totally mainstream at this point as well, even though it's mainly concentrated among the upper middle class and above.

Perhaps my experience was different going to the University of Victoria, but there were always people on the left who wanted to shout down honest debate. It's actually pretty humorous to me, as what is considered left/right often shifts over time, so many of the points they were shouting down are now considered popular by the left.

The left has, for a long time, had major institutions that are just as authoritarian: unions, academia, fringe groups, extremist groups, etc...

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

This take essentially proves the point about the level of entrenchment we're experiencing being higher than it used to be, though... For some of us, the fact that the left, by and large, didn't do this sort of #### was the primary thing that caused us to be left-wing in the first pace.

Couldn't you consider the whole civil rights, woman's rights, gay rights, etc an example of cancel culture? They were trying to cancel the status quo of the day.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Cole436

This is a bad faith discussion and I’m done with it. Again this has nothing to do with the N word and the fact you zeroed in on it and ignored everything else is telling.

It’s not telling at all… it’s bothersome that you keep trying to spin his comments into btimbit being a racist himself. Is that what you’re going for? Dumb.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yes, Rogan abandoned his principles for money. .

Yes, this is what I was talking about.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Cole436

This is a bad faith discussion and I’m done with it. Again this has nothing to do with the N word and the fact you zeroed in on it and ignored everything else is telling.

I only replied to what you said. You brought up the n word parts and nothing else

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

Remember when if you didn't like something or agree with something you read or listened to you could just stop reading it or listening to it and move on with your life?

When was this?

Certainly can't mean the 2000s when we collectively tried to end the career of a woman for having her nipple exposed by her male counterpart - who faced nearly no repercussions in response.

The 90s when society collectively decided to halt the meteoric rise of a young singer because she decided to protest childhood sexual abuse by ripping up a photo of a guy in a funny hat?

The 80s when a bunch of moms got together cause they heard some offensive lyrics and decided to get congress to act on it resulting in the banning of record sales with lyrics deemed inappropriate from several huge stores?

The 70s that resulted in not only widespread hate for speaking up against a war she disagreed with but actual government surveillance for Hanoi Jane?

The 60s when some rockstar compared his band to a religious figure* resulting in widespread record burnings?

The 50s with the formation of the Comics Code Authority because parents didn't want Wonderwoman turning their daughter gay?

The 40s when even being accused of having sympathy for communists could ruin your life during the Red Scare?

Seems like cancel culture has been alive and well for the entirety of Pepperidge Farm's history.

*Recall what happened to that religious figure with his wacky beliefs? They didn't just stop listening to him. There was this whole ordeal that sort of became important.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by blankall

The black people with different brains part is very troubling to me. It suggests he has an honest belief that people with different skin colour somehow function a different mental level. That is very deep seeded racism.

And no one is talking about it. The legacy media and left are focusing on the use of the N word instead, and the right and rogan bros are also focusing on it because the other #### is indefensible. Everyone sucks here, including Rogan.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Couldn't you consider the whole civil rights, woman's rights, gay rights, etc an example of cancel culture? They were trying to cancel the status quo of the day.

... No? These were all moral minority positions. When I was in high school and university in the early 2000s the gay rights movement was the main thing I was concerned about, and for the most part the main cultural battleground in politics (abortion too, but to a much lesser extent in Canada than in the 90's, I gather). That entire debate was centered around the religious right talking about what they saw as deviant unnatural behaviour that was just plain morally wrong by their lights, and because they held the moral majority, the response was generally pretty reasoned. At that time, the phrase "moral issues" literally meant religious objections to certain "lifestyles" that religious people objected to, almost invariably involving sex in some way.

I used to have the entire entry from the OED for the word "Natural" more or less committed to memory because I had to have this damned argument so often with right wingers - they'd say that it's unnatural, I'd go through each definition of what that word means and establish that it met each one, and so forth. Often interracial marriage was used as a logical touchstone (because even conservatives didn't want any part of being seen as against interracial marriage). In short, you actually had to win the argument fair and square.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

... No? These were all moral minority positions. When I was in high school and university in the early 2000s the gay rights movement was the main thing I was concerned about, and for the most part the main cultural battleground in politics (abortion too, but to a much lesser extent in Canada than in the 90's, I gather). That entire debate was centered around the religious right talking about what they saw as deviant unnatural behaviour that was just plain morally wrong by their lights, and because they held the moral majority, the response was generally pretty reasoned. At that time, the phrase "moral issues" literally meant religious objections to certain "lifestyles" that religious people objected to, almost invariably involving sex in some way.

I used to have the entire entry from the OED for the word "Natural" more or less committed to memory because I had to have this damned argument so often with right wingers - they'd say that it's unnatural, I'd go through each definition of what that word means and establish that it met each one, and so forth. Often interracial marriage was used as a logical touchstone (because even conservatives didn't want any part of being seen as against interracial marriage). In short, you actually had to win the argument fair and square.

At one point they weren't minority positions. And at some point I'm sure people felt that their definition of marriage (or whatever) was being being threatened or 'cancelled'.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

At one point they weren't minority positions. And at some point I'm sure people felt that their definition of marriage (or whatever) was being being threatened or 'cancelled'.

That wasn't even that long ago. 20 years, at most.

[81MC]

That’s not what cancelled means, so they can feel it all they want, and you could try to use it as a counterpoint to the current sentiment all you’d like, but it’s totally baseless.

[calumniate]

Cancelling joe rogan is similar to asking Trump supporters to drop Trump. As much as I would like it to happen, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. Joe's racism has been on full display for years

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

That wasn't even that long ago. 20 years, at most.

June 28, 2005 those pesky feds had to pass the Civil Marriage Act to force us freedom-loving Albertans to allow consenting adults to freely enter into same-sex marriages. "Lovable goofball" Ralph was so opposed to same-sex marriages that he was going to stop all marriages in Alberta first.

[woob]

I feel like this thread could be moved to the main Off Topic area, due to the discussion involved.

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by woob

I feel like this thread could be moved to the main Off Topic area, due to the discussion involved.

Nah leave it here, people in the main off topic area are mean

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Couldn't you consider the whole civil rights, woman's rights, gay rights, etc an example of cancel culture? They were trying to cancel the status quo of the day.

Those movements were about being heard, not shutting other people up. And the growth of those movements from tiny fringe movements to the mainstream could only have happened in a liberal society where dissent is tolerated.

It’s no coincidence that those movements were synchronous with relaxing attitudes towards sex, porn, drug use, foul language, violent entertainment, etc. They were part of a sea change away from conformity to traditional social norms in favour of tolerance of personal freedom. The ethos can be summed up as “I’ll leave you alone to seek happiness in your own way, as long as you extend the same tolerance to me.”

I think most North Americans still subscribe to that ethos. But social media has amplified the voice and influence of those who feel threatened by a messy, liberal, pluralistic society.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

Nah leave it here, people in the main off topic area are mean

Or we could add it to Just a Guy's covidiots symposium

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by OptimalTates

When was this?

Certainly can't mean the 2000s when we collectively tried to end the career of a woman for having her nipple exposed by her male counterpart - who faced nearly no repercussions in response.

The 90s when society collectively decided to halt the meteoric rise of a young singer because she decided to protest childhood sexual abuse by ripping up a photo of a guy in a funny hat?

The 80s when a bunch of moms got together cause they heard some offensive lyrics and decided to get congress to act on it resulting in the banning of record sales with lyrics deemed inappropriate from several huge stores?

The 70s that resulted in not only widespread hate for speaking up against a war she disagreed with but actual government surveillance for Hanoi Jane?

The 60s when some rockstar compared his band to a religious figure* resulting in widespread record burnings?

The 50s with the formation of the Comics Code Authority because parents didn't want Wonderwoman turning their daughter gay?

The 40s when even being accused of having sympathy for communists could ruin your life during the Red Scare?

Seems like cancel culture has been alive and well for the entirety of Pepperidge Farm's history.

*Recall what happened to that religious figure with his wacky beliefs? They didn't just stop listening to him. There was this whole ordeal that sort of became important.

So are you in favour of it or against?

[OptimalTates]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

So are you in favour of it or against?

I enjoy their chocolate chip cookies but not a fan of their crackers - give me those Premium Plus any day.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Those movements were about being heard, not shutting other people up. And the growth of those movements from tiny fringe movements to the mainstream could only have happened in a liberal society where dissent is tolerated.

It’s no coincidence that those movements were synchronous with relaxing attitudes towards sex, porn, drug use, foul language, violent entertainment, etc. They were part of a sea change away from conformity to traditional social norms in favour of tolerance of personal freedom. The ethos can be summed up as “I’ll leave you alone to seek happiness in your own way, as long as you extend the same tolerance to me.”

I think most North Americans still subscribe to that ethos. But social media has amplified the voice and influence of those who feel threatened by a messy, liberal, pluralistic society.

Guess I don't understand how Joe Rogan is being cancelled then. He's clearly not going to be banished from the internet. Podcasts are basically just an RSS feed. Even if Spotify turfed him, it's still going to be wildly available to anyone who cares.

I won't argue the anti-vaxx part since we have 17 other threads covering that.