BC Storm

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by Lubicon

TCH is also washed out pretty bad I think, along with one of the rail lines.

Rail will be up next week. It is mind-blowing how fast they can repair washed out rail lines.

[curves2000]

This is a national issue that demands the federal government's full support and attention. This is going to be a nightmare for a long time no doubt at a time when the economy and the supply chain can least afford it.

I don't think people are understanding the extent of the damage to the food system, I would assume tens of thousands of animals have perished in this. The level of damage to crops, farms, processing plants and more I assume is massive.

While we are at it, we need to have a very very real conversation about the quality of infrastructure we have in Canada that is critically important. Far too many stretches along major transport routes are in poor shape, lack proper mobile phone coverage, have single lane stretches and a whole host more.

It still seems absolutely absurd to me that we have such a large section of Canada's #1 highway in single lane formation from Golden, BC to Kamloops. This is a national economic and safety issue and we are a G8 nation and it's 2021.

I understand the cost and the timeframe for getting these things done but at the end of the day it needs to be done and it has taken way too long for this to occur and is now happening at a snail's pace.

Canada needs to think big and quite playing games. I always wonder why friends lose cell coverage when driving to Inveremere, BC and the response is always the same. "Your dealing with Park's Canada and they can't figure it out with the mobile phone companies"

Basic cell phone coverage is a needed in 2021.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't think people are understanding the extent of the damage to the food system, I would assume tens of thousands of animals have perished in this. The level of damage to crops, farms, processing plants and more I assume is massive.

I'm probably wrong but I think that the lower mainland, Abbotsford area, is the chicken capital of Canada. I'm not sure how much of their chickens leave the province for Alberta but this could really impact poultry prices.

I also think that quite a bit of milk comes from BC.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm probably wrong but I think that the lower mainland, Abbotsford area, is the chicken capital of Canada. I'm not sure how much of their chickens leave the province for Alberta but this could really impact poultry prices.

I also think that quite a bit of milk comes from BC.

Berries as well. Might not impact things at the moment since I think the harvest is done, but it might impact things next season if the farms can't get back up.

[blender]

Grocery stores in Kamloops were hit hard today, lined up big time and cleaned out. I heard that Costco closed in the middle of the day due to shortage.
I expect there will be a fair bit of goods moving in from the east, but could be a bit pinchy for a few days or more.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blender

Grocery stores in Kamloops were hit hard today, lined up big time and cleaned out. I heard that Costco closed in the middle of the day due to shortage.
I expect there will be a fair bit of goods moving in from the east, but could be a bit pinchy for a few days or more.

I noticed gas stations here in the LML were bonkers yesterday and today.

[81MC]

Totally wrong thread

[skudr248]

Originally Posted by curves2000

This is a national issue that demands the federal government's full support and attention. This is going to be a nightmare for a long time no doubt at a time when the economy and the supply chain can least afford it.

I don't think people are understanding the extent of the damage to the food system, I would assume tens of thousands of animals have perished in this. The level of damage to crops, farms, processing plants and more I assume is massive.

While we are at it, we need to have a very very real conversation about the quality of infrastructure we have in Canada that is critically important. Far too many stretches along major transport routes are in poor shape, lack proper mobile phone coverage, have single lane stretches and a whole host more.

It still seems absolutely absurd to me that we have such a large section of Canada's #1 highway in single lane formation from Golden, BC to Kamloops. This is a national economic and safety issue and we are a G8 nation and it's 2021.

I understand the cost and the timeframe for getting these things done but at the end of the day it needs to be done and it has taken way too long for this to occur and is now happening at a snail's pace.

Canada needs to think big and quite playing games. I always wonder why friends lose cell coverage when driving to Inveremere, BC and the response is always the same. "Your dealing with Park's Canada and they can't figure it out with the mobile phone companies"

Basic cell phone coverage is a needed in 2021.

This always puzzled me... I rode a motorcycle through Vietnam in 2018 in literally middle of f'in nowhere Vietnam in the mountains and had full bars.. always, but can't get cell coverage in a "first world" country in the mountains?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

This..........doesn't seem good at all.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1460814955683459076

[KootenayFlamesFan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1460818463346204678

[Jiggy_12]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

This..........doesn't seem good at all.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1460814955683459076

Woah. So, 100 years ago this area was a lake. Pumps were engineered to drain the water out and the area became habitable.

It’s now about to become a lake again, very quickly. This is legitimately catastrophic. Holy ****

Here’s a history on this: https://www.abbynews.com/news/keepin...in-abbotsford/

[vegasbound]

Yikes. I have family friends in Sardis but they are on the border of Yarrow. I hope they get to Chilliwack ASAP. I called my uncle just now in Chilliwack, they are a km from the Vedder River but okay except for not being able to find an open gas station.

[Ducay]

With the construction this year on the TCH and other highways, the wildfires exposed how reliant we were on a few mountain passes for a giant chunk of our national economy (rail & road). This just took that and made it 10x worse, sweet jesus.

As an earlier poster mentioned, really highlights how behind the times we are. Europe building giant tunneled highways 10s of kilometers through mountains, yet here we are with large swaths of the TCH as single lane crummy highways.

Never mind the fact the "overbuilt" section of this whole area - the coqe - is absolutely f'd. I suspect most spots can be filled and repaved much quicker than people imagine, but the bridges, etc, will take a while...

If you guys thought the traffic on the 93 diversion due to the Golden TCH was a bad delay.....

[CASe333]

So how fast are we on the coast going to run out of gas/groceries at this point? I assume we are screwed lol but end of day how bad does cutting off lower mainland from rest of Canada end up? I think much of our gas/products are connected with Seattle but this can't be good.

[opendoor]

There isn't a lot you can do that will mitigate landslides of this magnitude. Even if they could have had 4 or 5 highways out of the Lower Mainland instead of 3 (which is likely not possible due to the terrain), they'd still be going through the same kind of terrain and area, so they likely would have gotten wiped out too.

That's just the nature of an urban coastal area surrounded by mountains. There are only going to be a few ways in and out.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by CASe333

So how fast are we on the coast going to run out of gas/groceries at this point? I assume we are screwed lol but end of day how bad does cutting off lower mainland from rest of Canada end up? I think much of our gas/products are connected with Seattle but this can't be good.

I think the fuel situation will okay in a few days so long as the existing TMX line isn't damaged or the pumping stations flooded. There is an existing pumping station near Sumas that could be underwater.

[curves2000]

Originally Posted by skudr248

This always puzzled me... I rode a motorcycle through Vietnam in 2018 in literally middle of f'in nowhere Vietnam in the mountains and had full bars.. always, but can't get cell coverage in a "first world" country in the mountains?

I have similar stories going to Greece every summer. Remote areas where my family is originally from, high above the mountains, far flung islands all over Greece, buildings that are incredibly thick, strong, concrete (cheaper) structures while the nice, quality homes are built with stone. All this with very strong reception across the board and the call and data plans rock bottom in terms of pricing.

[Torture]

According to a 2013 report written by City of Abbotsford staff seeking money to upgrade the electrical system in the Barrowtown facility (built between 1977 and 1983), if the station fails it will result in around $500 million in damages and impact “major transportation and utility corridors such as Highway 11, 1, railways and underground gas/oil lines.”

“Major flooding in the area would significantly impact food producers and food processing companies, and cause job losses which typically takes 5-10 years to recover,” the report stated. There are about 1,400 farms in the Sumas Prairie.

The last time a major flood event occurred in the Fraser River was in May 1948 when 16,000 people were forced from their homes and 220 square kilometres of land ended up under water.

In March, the Fraser Basin Council issued a report stating a major flood of the river could cost between $20 billion and $30 billion in damages.

The council warned the Fraser River dike system that protects large parts of the valley were vulnerable to failure.

Yikes

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...river-flooding

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Ducay

With the construction this year on the TCH and other highways, the wildfires exposed how reliant we were on a few mountain passes for a giant chunk of our national economy (rail & road). This just took that and made it 10x worse, sweet jesus.

As an earlier poster mentioned, really highlights how behind the times we are. Europe building giant tunneled highways 10s of kilometers through mountains, yet here we are with large swaths of the TCH as single lane crummy highways.

Never mind the fact the "overbuilt" section of this whole area - the coqe - is absolutely f'd. I suspect most spots can be filled and repaved much quicker than people imagine, but the bridges, etc, will take a while...

If you guys thought the traffic on the 93 diversion due to the Golden TCH was a bad delay.....

I mean, for comparison look how long they were doing revamping work on the Old Banff overpass and the small highway bridge past the Jumping Pound turnoff this summer.

That region is ####ed. May have to resort to using routes through Washington for transport of goods, which slows the process down immensely.

[Manhattanboy]

Can’t help but think back to when the BC government took on Alberta and challenged federal jurisdiction over pipelines and other interprovincial trade matters and some openly called for Alberta to block the movement of goods into and out of British Columbia. Now we are seeing in real time what would have happened.