11-14-2021, 04:56 PM
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#141
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Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by The Cobra
The NHL is not for those that play half a game.
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I can think of a lot of forwards that are as bad defensively as Zadorov is offensively. Yet no one complains about them. They just accept that’s not their game.
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11-14-2021, 05:31 PM
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#142
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Buff
Do they though? I mean, are the even members on a hockey internet forum or are they merely NHL coaches?
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Ugh, I hate arguments like this. Darryl is obviously a hall of fame coach, and is incredibly knowledgeable about all aspects of hockey, but that doesn't mean he's infallible and can never be wrong.
When Darryl made the Phaneuf trade or the Regehr trade, tons of people on CP hated the deals and thought they were big mistakes. And guess what, the people who thought that were 100% correct and Darryl was completely wrong. No coach/GM/whatever is always right and above being questioned or disagreed with.
Now in this case, I'd personally give Darryl the benefit of the doubt, but he could very well be wrong or mishandling things. It's definitely possible, and the people who think he's wrong could be correct. Argue the points they are making, don't just throw up your hands and say 'The coach must know best, cause he's the coach!'
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11-14-2021, 06:50 PM
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#143
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Did Sutter trade Regehr? Thought that was Feaster.
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11-14-2021, 06:51 PM
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#144
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Did Sutter trade Regehr? Thought that was Feaster.
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Correct.
I can't imagine Sutter would have ever traded Regehr.
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11-14-2021, 06:58 PM
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#145
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
Ugh, I hate arguments like this. Darryl is obviously a hall of fame coach, and is incredibly knowledgeable about all aspects of hockey, but that doesn't mean he's infallible and can never be wrong.
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No, but if you were to make an argument that he's an idiot, you'd have pretty much lost it from the start. And at least one poster has come right out and said that only an idiot would be playing Zadorov.
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11-14-2021, 07:05 PM
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#146
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
Ugh, I hate arguments like this. Darryl is obviously a hall of fame coach, and is incredibly knowledgeable about all aspects of hockey, but that doesn't mean he's infallible and can never be wrong.
When Darryl made the Phaneuf trade or the Regehr trade, tons of people on CP hated the deals and thought they were big mistakes. And guess what, the people who thought that were 100% correct and Darryl was completely wrong. No coach/GM/whatever is always right and above being questioned or disagreed with.
Now in this case, I'd personally give Darryl the benefit of the doubt, but he could very well be wrong or mishandling things. It's definitely possible, and the people who think he's wrong could be correct. Argue the points they are making, don't just throw up your hands and say 'The coach must know best, cause he's the coach!'
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I think you will have plenty of people who disagree Darryl the GM. As a coach? Hard not to appeal to THAT authority.
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11-14-2021, 07:10 PM
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#147
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Correct.
I can't imagine Sutter would have ever traded Regehr.
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Oops, yeah, I screwed that up. Ignore the Regehr part.
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11-14-2021, 07:13 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I think you will have plenty of people who disagree Darryl the GM. As a coach? Hard not to appeal to THAT authority.
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How are they different people though?
Darryl the GM is the person who didn't think Anton Stralman was good enough to make this team, in a season where he would proceed to log 20:29 of average icetime for another team and the Flames desperately traded for... Ian White.
So is Darryl the coach a different person with regards to assessment of young players?
Or does he have... blind spots just like every other human being?
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11-14-2021, 07:14 PM
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#149
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I think you will have plenty of people who disagree Darryl the GM. As a coach? Hard not to appeal to THAT authority.
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Yeah, it’s maybe not a perfect analogy, but the point is that even the best hockey minds make mistakes and it’s fine to have an opinion that contradicts a professional hockey coach and to discuss it. It’s pretty boring around here if everyone just agrees on everything and there is no discussion.
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11-14-2021, 07:16 PM
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#150
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop
I'm going to assume a lot was lost in the translation.
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Not to mention the guy tweeting it has a bit of a thing for over-sensationalized, click-baity headlines.
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11-14-2021, 07:16 PM
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#151
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
Oops, yeah, I screwed that up. Ignore the Regehr part.
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That's ok. I agree with your post. I love Sutter and he is my all time favorite coach and the argument that "if Sutter sees something, we must believe it is the best decision" is a bad argument to make.
He is human like the rest of us and makes mistakes.
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11-14-2021, 07:20 PM
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#152
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by mikephoen
Yeah, it’s maybe not a perfect analogy, but the point is that even the best hockey minds make mistakes and it’s fine to have an opinion that contradicts a professional hockey coach and to discuss it. It’s pretty boring around here if everyone just agrees on everything and there is no discussion.
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Right but the decisions being questioned are being made by him as coach, and he has the benefit of any doubt IMO.
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11-14-2021, 07:34 PM
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#153
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Hope Valimaki brought a cushion on the road trip - ZaNorris isn’t sitting any time soon.
If for no other reason than to up his trade value. A $3.75M 7th D is immovable.
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11-14-2021, 07:36 PM
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#154
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Right but the decisions being questioned are being made by him as coach, and he has the benefit of any doubt IMO.
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I agree that I would give him the benefit of the doubt. I even stated that in my first post on the subject.
However, if someone else doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt and wants to present reasons why they think he's wrong, you can't automatically dismiss their position. If your only retort to their position is that a hockey professional sees it another way, then that's a pretty boring discussion.
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11-14-2021, 08:13 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
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Great game by Zadorov today
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11-14-2021, 10:55 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Turn up the good, turn down the suck!
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11-14-2021, 10:56 PM
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#157
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Wrong thread
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11-15-2021, 10:38 AM
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#158
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Amherst, MA
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play who helps you win
Honestly the flames defense looks pretty good and most of the problem is with forwards in their own end. I am surprised to say that I like the current lineup (other than our forth line, which was better yesterday against week opposition) and have not been at all impressed with Valimaki when he played. I'd rather he sits until he has gained Sutter's trust, I truly believe he will be better for it.
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11-15-2021, 10:48 AM
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#159
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Knightslayer
Did Sutter trade Regehr? Thought that was Feaster.
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No. But he traded a 27 year old Toni Lydman for a 3rd round pick. Lydman went on to play 8 more seasons in the NHL, most of them as a very good 2nd pairing dman.
As others have said, just like any other coach or GM, Sutter has his biases and blind spots.
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Originally Posted by fotze
If this day gets you riled up, you obviously aren't numb to the disappointment yet to be a real fan.
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Last edited by CliffFletcher; 11-15-2021 at 10:50 AM.
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11-15-2021, 10:58 AM
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#160
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CliffFletcher
No. But he traded a 27 year old Toni Lydman for a 3rd round pick. Lydman went on to play 8 more seasons in the NHL, most of them as a very good 2nd pairing dman.
As others have said, just like any other coach or GM, Sutter has his biases and blind spots.
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At that time he didn't have a lot of time for defenseman like Lydman and Leopold that were better skaters than they were hitters. In those days I'm not sure he would give a player like Kylington a long look.
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