Daylight Saving Time

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by getbak

No, you have that backwards.

I think you're right...since we spend 8 months in MDST I think of it as our 'normal' and the winter as bizzaro time.



Given the modern constructs of society, I'm not sure solar noon is the optimal midpoint to seek, though. It would be interesting to know the proportions of populations that wake at which times.

[shermanator]

If Newfoundland can have it's own time, we should demand Alberta time. 30 minutes after Pacific time and 30 minutes before Mountain time. BERTTAAAAA WOOOO

[Sluggo]

Originally Posted by shermanator

If Newfoundland can have it's own time, we should demand Alberta time. 30 minutes after Pacific time and 30 minutes before Mountain time. BERTTAAAAA WOOOO

Rat free too!

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by shermanator

If Newfoundland can have it's own time, we should demand Alberta time. 30 minutes after Pacific time and 30 minutes before Mountain time. BERTTAAAAA WOOOO

Geeze dere b'y Newfin Lan has its own dere language. Dat's why.

Now ####e er gettov da bridge!

[You Need a Thneed]

Instead of doing the 1 hour time change all at once, I wonder if it would work to change like 2 minutes a day for 30 days in a row?

Of course, this is terrible for clocks that don’t update themselves, but would something like that give us the best of both worlds time wise, and make it easier for people to adjust?

I mean I don’t have trouble adjusting myself, just talking theoretically.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Instead of doing the 1 hour time change all at once, I wonder if it would work to change like 2 minutes a day for 30 days in a row?

Of course, this is terrible for clocks that don’t update themselves, but would something like that give us the best of both worlds time wise, and make it easier for people to adjust?

I mean I don’t have trouble adjusting myself, just talking theoretically.

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[DoubleF]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Instead of doing the 1 hour time change all at once, I wonder if it would work to change like 2 minutes a day for 30 days in a row?

Of course, this is terrible for clocks that don’t update themselves, but would something like that give us the best of both worlds time wise, and make it easier for people to adjust?

I mean I don’t have trouble adjusting myself, just talking theoretically.

I think 15/20/30 minute increment options over consecutive days might be interesting to consider.

15 - Friday to Monday
20 - Friday to Sunday or Saturday to Monday
30 - Saturday and Sunday

But the more I am reading the posts, the more it seem like the jet lag aspect of the time change is seemingly one of the smallest annoyances about the time change itself. It's seemingly more the coordination aspect on a multi time zone scale.

[Hack&Lube]

I think that the entire world should just be on UTC. One time, and each region adjust their schedules to whenever it falls. That avoids confusion when talking about time globally and for dates and time stamps in logistics and information technology and commerce.

Right now it's noon in Calgary but 6:00 PM in London.

I'm fine with my lunch being at 6:00 PM. That's a very easy adjustment.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

I think that the entire world should just be on UTC. One time, and each region adjust their schedules to whenever it falls. That avoids confusion when talking about time globally and for dates and time stamps in logistics and information technology and commerce.

Right now it's noon in Calgary but 6:00 PM in London.

I'm fine with my lunch being at 6:00 PM. That's a very easy adjustment.

You think having the entire world completely change their concept of time would be very easy?

[mrkajz44]

Just to put this in perspective for those voting Monday...

If we go permanent DST, today is the last day the sun would rise before 8:00am until March 10. Yes, March. This change is not good for our biological clock.

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[Slava]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Just to put this in perspective for those voting Monday...

If we go permanent DST, today is the last day the sun would rise before 8:00am until March 10. Yes, March. This change is not good for our biological clock.

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Meh, we get up in the dark anyway for a chunk of the winter. It’s hardly an issue.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Just to put this in perspective for those voting Monday...

If we go permanent DST, today is the last day the sun would rise before 8:00am until March 10. Yes, March. This change is not good for our biological clock.

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You people are like the anti-flouride people.

Even if you’re right you sound just alarmist enough about it to brush off.

Just to put this into perspective for those voting Monday, it would be March instead of February, YES, FEBRUARY! That’s right, the month BEFORE March! Crazy, I know.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Just to put this in perspective for those voting Monday...

If we go permanent DST, today is the last day the sun would rise before 8:00am until March 10. Yes, March. This change is not good for our biological clock.

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Who cares. It’s dark when I drive to work and I don’t really see natural light in my cubicle, so more evening sun is a win. What job is it that lets people wake up with the sun each morning?

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

You people are like the anti-flouride people.

Even if you’re right you sound just alarmist enough about it to brush off.

Just to put this into perspective for those voting Monday, it would be March instead of February, YES, FEBRUARY! That’s right, the month BEFORE March! Crazy, I know.

Not trying to sound alarmist - just trying to put in perspective as people are generally pretty bad with estimating time. Thought it was appropriate to bring it up again today as the sun rising after 8:00am is no longer "some time in the future", it's now and would last for approximately 5 more months.

[Kidder]

Forgive me if this has been answered already in the thread.

How come we are voting about this in a municipal election? Isn’t it a Provincial decision? How can Calgary decide for the entire province or would it just be the city making the change?

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Kidder

Forgive me if this has been answered already in the thread.

How come we are voting about this in a municipal election? Isn’t it a Provincial decision? How can Calgary decide for the entire province or would it just be the city making the change?

It's a province-wide vote. The entire province votes in their own municipal elections on Monday, so these provincial votes were tacked on to make them all happen at the same time.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Not trying to sound alarmist - just trying to put in perspective as people are generally pretty bad with estimating time. Thought it was appropriate to bring it up again today as the sun rising after 8:00am is no longer "some time in the future", it's now and would last for approximately 5 more months.

Right but the impact on people is essentially zero. We already have the sun not rising until after 8am and things are fine. In Northern Alberta the sunrise is later still, and that’s with the time change. People live completely fine. This might’ve been cause for concern 100-150 years ago. Today we have power and lighting for everything. I’d much rather have the daylight in the evening or early evening as opposed to during the morning commute.

[#-3]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...s-your-health/

I believe the current data say that if we are to go to 1 time year round, we should prefer winter time. Earlier sunset in general is better for sleep, cognitive outcomes, and health.

I assume we are voting for the opposite, but I voted yes without looking into it at all because I support dumping the time changes, they make sense when you are relying on sunlight for work, and you are swinging between 10 and 14 hours of sunlight. But with LEDs and swings between 7 and 19 hours of light, day light savings really isn't all that meaningful, any what you set it we will be using lots of artificial light in the winter, and we will be fighting with our kids to go to sleep on bright summer nights.

[You Need a Thneed]

Vote for Status Quo!

[Slava]

Originally Posted by #-3

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...s-your-health/

I believe the current data say that if we are to go to 1 time year round, we should prefer winter time. Earlier sunset in general is better for sleep, cognitive outcomes, and health.

I assume we are voting for the opposite, but I voted yes without looking into it at all because I support dumping the time changes, they make sense when you are relying on sunlight for work, and you are swinging between 10 and 14 hours of sunlight. But with LEDs and swings between 7 and 19 hours of light, day light savings really isn't all that meaningful, any what you set it we will be using lots of artificial light in the winter, and we will be fighting with our kids to go to sleep on bright summer nights.

Honestly, switching to pure winter (standard time) is just playing to peoples recency bias. It’s inconceivable to me that people would prefer an hour of daylight in June or July at 4:30am as opposed to the end of the day. In mid-summer people are walking/biking/hiking/golfing and a lot of other activities in our long evenings. Those are fantastic nights and not many people would swap that time for 5am and the same activities. That’s not to mention a cocktail on a patio, or things like that.

And as far as the short days and amount of sunlight, I’m beginning to wonder who the experts are here. It’s the same amount of sunlight, first and foremost. The whole circadian rhythm point is questionable to me. No one is going to be at 5pm, and we’re all capable of turning on lights from December through April to cope with those dark evenings. The reality is that hour of daylight is far more useful later in the day than it is in the morning, for the vast majority of people 5/7 days a week during the winter. And in the summer, it’s not even close.