[PGT] Flames lose 4-2 to Ottawa

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If the Flames traded him as an RFA...or they could negotiate a long term deal.

I'm certain teams would trade for him, no chance you let him walk. Not the first time a player had a bad season. Even then its 30 points in 44 games for a team that doesn't score.

I agree he has value but not anywhere near the contract you have to sign to keep him that’s the problem. He’s what, correlated to a 60 point player? What’s the market for that? $6mm? And you do have others that, when given his ice time will also produce but maybe not at the same clip. So let’s say you get a guy that puts up 30 points over an 82 game schedule. You should be thinking about not soaking up that extra cash in cap space if you can help it just to get an extra 30 pts.

Plus there’s all the other intangible stuff he’s now lacking too. So no, it’s not a slam dunk to not let him walk.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I agree he has value but not anywhere near the contract you have to sign to keep him that’s the problem. He’s what, correlated to a 60 point player? What’s the market for that? $6mm? And you do have others that, when given his ice time will also produce but maybe not at the same clip. So let’s say you get a guy that puts up 30 points over an 82 game schedule. You should be thinking about not soaking up that extra cash in cap space if you can help it.

Plus there’s all the other intangible stuff he’s now lacking too. So no, it’s not a slam dunk to not let him walk.

Yes it is...you can 100% get something for Tkachuk. Guys have bad seasons.

Laine has 17 points and is -21...you think CBJ lets him walk?

ZERO CHANCE

[Red]

Originally Posted by dino7c

There is something between significant and letting him walk though...some pretty extreme takes. I'm sure teams would give him 7 on a long term and he would probably take it depending on where. St. Louis, Ottawa, Columbus, ect.

Well, if insane is the word you use then I assume we would be really missing out. What's the threshold, a 3rd round pick? I'm ok with trading 9M of cap space for a 3rd.

I want no part of MT at 9m. He is not that good. Never was.

[chedder]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Looking at Tkachuk’s body of work this season, is it crazy to think we’re better off just letting him walk for free to avoid paying him $9 M/season next year?
His failed rush with the net empty tonight really summed up what I see; mainly that he wants to be a leader and put the team on his shoulders but in the end is kind of a weak link who coughs up the puck, does a half hearted attempt to atone the loss, and watches the backbreaking goal from his stomach as if he just gave 110% with nothing left to give. I don’t know, he was supposed to be a key piece in the core...just disappointing.

You don't let him walk. He has one more year on his current contract and is, hopefully, still quite tradable. I assume you can sign him longterm next year if that's what management wants to do. What you don't want to do is sign him to the one year qualifying offer after next season as after that he's straight to ufa.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yes it is...you can 100% get something for Tkachuk. Guys have bad seasons.

Laine has 17 points and is -21...you think CBJ lets him walk?

ZERO CHANCE

No for sure, I agree with the trade angle that’s true. I’m not sure you can fetch what you might think because of how valuable cap space is but for sure should be able to get something.

I guess I’m just saying in the unlikely event you can’t trade him. Gotta consider it. $9mm to Tkachuk would be equally insane as far as I’m concerned.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

Commented on how the d played slow all game. Regarding the pp, said passing too slow bad shot/pass decisions, and commented on how the same guys just kept turning it over all game and on the pp(fan guys ventured to state that was a shot directly at #13 and #19 who led team in turnovers)...

As far as ventures go, it would be impossible not to know Sutter is speaking about #19

Turning over the puck leading to goals against and the same guys moving it too slow on the PP?

We all saw it

He said 3 or 4 guys, but on that list 19 is a gimme

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yes it is...you can 100% get something for Tkachuk. Guys have bad seasons.

Laine has 17 points and is -21...you think CBJ lets him walk?

ZERO CHANCE

If not for that 9 M QO, you could for sure get 2 seconds! :-)

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

On defense, it is abundantly clear that:

1) Andersson is in way over his head and was not ready to take on a much bigger role this season.

2) Expectations for Valimaki were way too high, as he is currently way out of his league and rarely looks like he belongs.

Anderson not ready at the tender age of 24...by that age Brodie already had 41 and 31 point seasons under his belt. Hard to see Anderson outperforming his contract. Only 5 years left on it though, so there is that. At least it was not a 7 year deal. Are there examples of offensive dman finding that offence for the first time post 25? Rasmus career high for points is 22. He has 16 points this year playing first line PP for the majority of the season.

[MrMike]

You have to qualify him, and he will end up just taking his one season at 9 million and walk. Why wouldn’t he test out free agency unless the Flames are prepared to overpay by a large margin.

I really wish we would have traded him earlier this season when Laine and PLD were available.

Tre should almost be fired just for how Tkachuks contract is structured. Just unbelievable, even before knowing what this cap was going to do.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MrMike

You have to qualify him, and he will end up just taking his one season at 9 million and walk. Why wouldn’t he test out free agency unless the Flames are prepared to overpay by a large margin.

I really wish we would have traded him earlier this season when Laine and PLD were available.

Have you seen Laine's stats...you could still do that deal IMO

Laine
20 points -21

Tkachuk
30 points +4

[chedder]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yes it is...you can 100% get something for Tkachuk. Guys have bad seasons.

Laine has 17 points and is -21...you think CBJ lets him walk?

ZERO CHANCE

Laine is a ufa after this season and the trade deadline has passed. The only thing they can do is trade his rights before free agency starts. That won't get them much.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Lindholm lacks talent. He's not a play-driver even at the level of Backlund. He's a very north-south player and you need your top line center to be shiftier and make more plays through the middle.

What? Lindholm is our MVP and the only player I’d miss of this roster.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by chedder

Laine is a ufa after this season and the trade deadline has passed. The only thing they can do is trade his rights before free agency starts. That won't get them much.

No he isn't...he is an RFA the guy is 23

[AC]

I like the notion that you somehow consider using the Tkachuk money elsewhere instead of signing him.

As if we have a chance at signing top free agents.

More likely we use that money to sign 3 slow 3rd liners.

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

The Flames, uh, find a way.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He did it because he forgot he forgot he could get hurt. I dunno. He used to do it between defenders. Now he avoids it like the plague.

Monahan looked way more dangerous than Gaudreau. He for sure distributed the puck better. And that isn’t saying he looked dangerous.

With all due respect, that’s an extremely weak take. Gaudreau is basically the only player on this team who can cut east to west laterally and make plays. No other winger is even remotely dangerous in transition by comparison.

Also, I really wouldn’t be comparing Monahan to Gaudreau right now, outside of his empty net goal. His line has been a complete dud offensively. Actually, Monahan’s line is a big reason why this team isn’t getting enough goals right now. If he or his linemates potted just one goal in one of the last 2 games, maybe the Flames escape with a shootout win or an OT loss, but instead it’s zilch in 2. Gaudreau’s line has been the best performing unit out of anything I’ve seen in the last 5 games based on the eye test and the statistics.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Ottawa for all intents and purposes are the plucky Flames at the beginning of the Monahan era. Working their butts off, fun to watch, young, doing everything each individual can to not only keep their job but also earn a long term contract down the road.

We were like the Sens once. Full of promise for the future.
Well, the kids got paid, and then got soft. What do you do?

Plus Bob Hartley managed to get the best out of his players.

Now we have players who don't want to do what it takes to win. Identify them and ship them out.

[N-E-B]

Gotta wonder what Monahan’s trade value is right now. He’s not scoring, which is kind of the only thing he’s good at, and he’s making way too much money.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the reason he’s still here is because other teams don’t want him. In fact I suspect that is the reason.

I’m not ready to get rid of Tkachuk yet. He’s still young and he’s been great every year but this year. It could just be a down year for him, but man is it ever a down year.

Also maybe I’m alone in this but I really don’t think Rasmus Andersson has been as bad as some of you guys have made him out to be this year. I’m not trying to say he’s been amazing but I saw someone suggest we shouldn’t protect him and I think that’s a bit of an overreaction.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by AC

I like the notion that you somehow consider using the Tkachuk money elsewhere instead of signing him.

As if we have a chance at signing top free agents.

More likely we use that money to sign 3 slow 3rd liners.

Yeah that was my take when one person commented on leaving Andersson exposed for the cap relief. Like we would do anything positive with the extra money anyways.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by troutman

What? Lindholm is our MVP and the only player I’d miss of this roster.

I interpreted his post as saying ‘lacking talent’ is lacking ‘complete talent’, or as its opposite, without any missing points of talent

It’s the only way it made sense to me