Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau Appreciation thread

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by MJK

Sean Monahan:

I appreciate his dreamy good looks
I appreciate his luscious locks
I appreciate his rare smile and perfect white teeth
I appreciate he has scored 25+ goals in 6/7 full seasons
I appreciate he has scored 30+ 3 times
I appreciate his cap hit
I appreciate the fact that he is still young and can bring a lot to this team
I appreciate the fact that he is 3rd in scoring among his deep draft class
I appreciate the fact that he will play through pain
I appreciate the fact that he has more games played that anyone else in his draft class

I appreciate you Sean "Moneyhands" Monahan!

Thanks

[The Familia]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Tkachuk - Backlund - Johnny
Mangiapane - Monahan - Lindholm
Dube - Bennett - Lucic
Plugs - Ryan - Plugs

I’m sorry, but no matter how you shuffle the deck chairs, we are still saddled with lead weights. If I’m an opposing team I’m salivating at playing against the Flames. There is no one on this team that is scary good in any hockey statistic/category that would be worrisome to play against. No true game breakers, no magicians, nothing.

This is probably my most disliked collection of players ever assembled on the Flames. It’s not that I actually hate anyone, they are just so mediocre and forgettable. I see no passion or heart with this team. They are boring to watch and frustrating to listen to (in interviews). No one stands out for any reason good or bad.

What the Flames have assembled is a group of students who show up to school and never ask any questions or for help, never challenge themselves, never go above and beyond, they don’t study because they are somewhat academically gifted, they don’t make trouble or cause any problems, they don’t engage in class discussions, they complete assignments and homework half assed, and they choke on tests because they play Fortnite every night. They are the classic students who have a lot of potential but slide through school and life unnoticed and never living up to any expectations. Entitlement at its finest.

[Flame On]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I was being polite

I didn't want to pile on, he has enough hate. I've noticed that fans of one targetted player are extra brutal about the other player. There is less accountability and more placing blame elsewhere in threads

Its a tough situation because we are on the eve of adding to the Dion, Savard Fox legends, wherein 5 years all we are going to hear about is how we should have kept X player

Its amazing how fragile confidence is and how contagious

Happens both ways to be fair.

[djsFlames]

Monahan Gaudreau appreciation eh.

Well.. I don't mind them as people!

That's all I got.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Monahan Gaudreau appreciation eh.

Well.. I don't mind them as people!

That's all I got.

Just gotta throw a couple of slices in the toaster. Leave out a bowl of skittles and tell them what you want for Xmas.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

Tkachuk - Backlund - Johnny
Mangiapane - Monahan - Lindholm
Dube - Bennett - Lucic
Plugs - Ryan - Plugs

It really doesn’t need to be more difficult. Each line gets a nice mix of speed & skill, 5v5 competence and zone entry as well as reasonable forechecking and defensive acumen.

Backlund isn’t a 1C but he can match up against any 1C in the league. Johnny gets help on zone entries and along the boards.

Monahan gets help on the forecheck and zone entry.

Playoff line worked in the past.

You can shuffle the Flames players any way you want and you won’t get a good team.

And I don’t want a Johnny matching up against the other teams best players, as I see you intend to use that line against the other teams best players.


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[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

You can shuffle the Flames players any way you want and you won’t get a good team.

And I don’t want a Johnny matching up against the other teams best players, as I see you intend to use that line against the other teams best players.


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Exactly....enough of shuffling

Fire Treliving and rebuild is the only way to go

[SportsJunky]

In today's Flames fan survey at The Athletic, 75% of respondents said Gaudreau needs to be traded. That's an overwhelming percentage. As far as the most disappointing player this year, Monahan led with 38%.

Two-thirds of the 1100 respondents say the number one problem with Calgary is "lack of elite talent up front".

Personally, I'd like to see them both shipped out before next season. I doubt it happens though. A rebuild seems warranted but isn't likely to happen. I'd like an elite player but that's never an easy deal to pull off. Treliving has his work cut out for him. Get to it Brad.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

In today's Flames fan survey at The Athletic, 75% of respondents said Gaudreau needs to be traded. That's an overwhelming percentage. As far as the most disappointing player this year, Monahan led with 38%.

Two-thirds of the 1100 respondents say the number one problem with Calgary is "lack of elite talent up front".

Personally, I'd like to see them both shipped out before next season. I doubt it happens though. A rebuild seems warranted but isn't likely to happen. I'd like an elite player but that's never an easy deal to pull off. Treliving has his work cut out for him. Get to it Brad.

The dumbest thing about that survey? All the people saying trade Gaudreau, and Monahan, but almost 50% were opposed to a rebuild.

...like...what?

[Manhattanboy]

And now the time has come for all good things to come to an end.

And no not my posting.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The dumbest thing about that survey? All the people saying trade Gaudreau, and Monahan, but almost 50% were opposed to a rebuild.

...like...what?

You certainly can trade one of those guys without having to go full rebuild.

Maybe even both if you are getting a legit top line guy back.

But not wanting to go scorched earth is completely understandable...that is a 5-7 year commitment to watching really bad hockey teams.

Re-tool the core and see what happens for a couple years under Sutter.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The dumbest thing about that survey? All the people saying trade Gaudreau, and Monahan, but almost 50% were opposed to a rebuild.

...like...what?

Maybe those 50% of fans realize they have a 31 year old big money goalie and a coach that came out of retirement to coach a team that is trying to win? The team is trending for a top 10 pick this year.

Next season play against all 31 other teams, play in front of fans, Sutter gets a full training camp, Markstrom comes back refreshed then this team could be heading back in the right direction. Look to get a better mix of players but doesn’t need to be a complete tear down

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Maybe those 50% of fans realize they have a 31 year old big money goalie and a coach that came out of retirement to coach a team that is trying to win? The team is trending for a top 10 pick this year.

Next season play against all 31 other teams, play in front of fans, Sutter gets a full training camp, Markstrom comes back refreshed then this team could be heading back in the right direction. Look to get a better mix of players but doesn’t need to be a complete tear down

Well, that $6M goalie is having a disastrous first year and the team is worse under the new coach than the last coach.

So I suppose they could be better for “reasons”. They “could” be good because things will just go better...that doesn’t seem like a good strategy to me.

If the organization continues to want to believe they can win a cup without top-3 picks, and that’s what the fans want then I guess we deserve the mediocrity we’ve dealt with for 30 years. Although from that poll 51.8% of the fan base does believe they should fully commit to a rebuild - so that’s encouraging.

Why would playing more teams next year assist this team in being better? They’re already getting smoked by the 2nd worst team in the league. The North Division has one top tier team, and we’ve been buried in it. Quality of competition will never be lower than it was this year.

[madmike]

I'd still love to have Gaudreau back as a Flame. But I don't think he's interested in coming back.

Monahan, on the other hand, I'd be happy to see shipped out. His skating has never really improved and he's not what the team needs as far as a top 6 C goes. The issue now is he's been so awful this season, his value in a trade is going to be bad.

I'm all on-board for a full rebuild. I don't see any other way this team can contend. The players they have as the core now simply are not good enough to win a Cup.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Monahan hasn’t been the same since Johnny hit him in the head with the puck during warmup. I have a theory.

I wonder if he has been seen singing opera, and the Flames have a real life version of the time a bowling ball hit Fred Flintstone in the head, and he became Frederick



Maybe if the Flames put a puck up on the top of a door, and it drops on Monahan’s head, he will be back to normal.

[Burning Beard]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, that $6M goalie is having a disastrous first year and the team is worse under the new coach than the last coach.

So I suppose they could be better for “reasons”. They “could” be good because things will just go better...that doesn’t seem like a good strategy to me.

If the organization continues to want to believe they can win a cup without top-3 picks, and that’s what the fans want then I guess we deserve the mediocrity we’ve dealt with for 30 years. Although from that poll 51.8% of the fan base does believe they should fully commit to a rebuild - so that’s encouraging.

Why would playing more teams next year assist this team in being better? They’re already getting smoked by the 2nd worst team in the league. The North Division has one top tier team, and we’ve been buried in it. Quality of competition will never be lower than it was this year.

It will be addition by subtraction trading out the rotten parts of the core. I don't know why you wouldn't want to give it a shot.

And the coach came on to the team in the middle of a pandemic season with almost zero time to practice or make significant changes, but to me they sure look like they are better on the defensive side already, just the goals aren't coming.

Look at the Islanders. They lost Tavares for nothing (which would cause several brain aneurysms around here) but brought in an elite coach. It took some time for total team buy in, but they are sure looking good now.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Well, that $6M goalie is having a disastrous first year and the team is worse under the new coach than the last coach.

So I suppose they could be better for “reasons”. They “could” be good because things will just go better...that doesn’t seem like a good strategy to me.

If the organization continues to want to believe they can win a cup without top-3 picks, and that’s what the fans want then I guess we deserve the mediocrity we’ve dealt with for 30 years. Although from that poll 51.8% of the fan base does believe they should fully commit to a rebuild - so that’s encouraging.

Why would playing more teams next year assist this team in being better? They’re already getting smoked by the 2nd worst team in the league. The North Division has one top tier team, and we’ve been buried in it. Quality of competition will never be lower than it was this year.

Deciding the fate of a team based off a bad year during a pandemic where players are isolated and not playing in front of crowds doesn’t seem like a great strategy to me.

Flames would be selling low on almost everyone. It would be ridiculous to try and do that. If Sutter gets pieces that fit his style and Markstrom bounces back the Flames are fighting for 8th place and not top pick which would make the rebuild crowd ever so happy.

The biggest mistake of last offseason was tripling down on Gaudreau-Monahan. One of both of those players needed to be traded in the offseason and their value is even less than it would have been last offseason. It makes no sense to sell low on Tkachuk and I do not see a scenario he stays here through a rebuild. I don’t see Sutter staying through a rebuild. I don’t see the organization paying 3-4 coaches and multiple GM’s so is anyone happy with Treliving or one of his assistants rebuilding this team?

I think most fans realize big changes are coming but due to a new building, owners wanting money, and understanding that what happened this season has many factors not typically at play due to the pandemic. I don’t think they sell the fans on a rebuild I think they shake it up and see how Darryl does with a new mix.

As a season ticket holder I would certainly accept the organization shifting to a rebuild however I absolutely would cancel my tickets. I would still attend 3-7 games a season and watch every game on TV but I wouldn’t spend the $8k on tickets and all the concessions and parking. Hopefully the Flames still have a waiting list of fans willing to spend that money on a team trying to tank in the worst building in the league.

I will say this though. If we hear about the rink being delayed 1-2 years and we have to wait 5+ years for a new rink I could see the Flames entertaining the tear down because it gives them time to put a competitive team together but then again will that satisfy the fans that do not want to take shortcuts and really be patient and take 5-7 years to build a contender?

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Deciding the fate of a team based off a bad year during a pandemic where players are isolated and not playing in front of crowds doesn’t seem like a great strategy to me.

Flames would be selling low on almost everyone. It would be ridiculous to try and do that. If Sutter gets pieces that fit his style and Markstrom bounces back the Flames are fighting for 8th place and not top pick which would make the rebuild crowd ever so happy.

The biggest mistake of last offseason was tripling down on Gaudreau-Monahan. One of both of those players needed to be traded in the offseason and their value is even less than it would have been last offseason. It makes no sense to sell low on Tkachuk and I do not see a scenario he stays here through a rebuild. I don’t see Sutter staying through a rebuild. I don’t see the organization paying 3-4 coaches and multiple GM’s so is anyone happy with Treliving or one of his assistants rebuilding this team?

I think most fans realize big changes are coming but due to a new building, owners wanting money, and understanding that what happened this season has many factors not typically at play due to the pandemic. I don’t think they sell the fans on a rebuild I think they shake it up and see how Darryl does with a new mix.

As a season ticket holder I would certainly accept the organization shifting to a rebuild however I absolutely would cancel my tickets. I would still attend 3-7 games a season and watch every game on TV but I wouldn’t spend the $8k on tickets and all the concessions and parking. Hopefully the Flames still have a waiting list of fans willing to spend that money on a team trying to tank in the worst building in the league.

I will say this though. If we hear about the rink being delayed 1-2 years and we have to wait 5+ years for a new rink I could see the Flames entertaining the tear down because it gives them time to put a competitive team together but then again will that satisfy the fans that do not want to take shortcuts and really be patient and take 5-7 years to build a contender?

That's not what anyone is doing though. It's 7 years of in/out/in/out from a playoff perspective while only winning one series. Nothing should be done because of one season, but when you look at the 7 years? That's where things need to be changed in a significant way. The entire approach to building a team is incorrect, and we have a 7 year data set to draw that conclusion. Change the friggin' approach. I hope the big changes we’re all hoping for aren’t just “player X out and player Y in”, because that’s not a big enough change to take this team from a bottom-5 to a top-5 team in this league.

I am just baffled by the thought process that what we've done for the past 7 years is worse than a rebuild.

"Stretch out my suffering for 7 years. I don't want it focused into 1-2 seasons of true tanking"

The tanking process is the ugly part, but once you complete that then we're effectively right back to where we've been every single year for the last 30 years - trying to do our absolute best to be a good team. Focus the tank, and then hope that after 1-2 seasons of it, your management team is good enough to start improving the team from within and from external sources.

Rebuilding does not equate 7 years of tanking. It's a 1-2 year process of tanking to hopefully acquire the required pieces in spots 1-3 in the draft, followed by trying to build a winning team right away. The only difference to rebuilding vs. what we're doing right now is that 1-2 year window.

Why are we satisfied with spending to the cap with an under skilled, inadequate core that is completely missing the foundational pieces that 90% of Stanley Cup champions are built upon?

The "biggest mistake" of any of these last 7 (30) years is trying to build a winning team without the foundational pieces required. If we're trying to be a good team for when the new arena comes online, the only real path to that is through the rebuild - because it's the only way we're getting top-end (elite) centres/defensemen between now and then. Why are we okay with all these high end players being in other cities and winning championship? Where are our elite players? The blueprint to get them is visible to everyone.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's not what anyone is doing though. It's 7 years of in/out/in/out from a playoff perspective while only winning one series. Nothing should be done because of one season, but when you look at the 7 years? That's where things need to be changed in a significant way. The entire approach to building a team is incorrect, and we have a 7 year data set to draw that conclusion. Change the friggin' approach.

I am just baffled by the thought process that what we've done for the past 7 years is worse than a rebuild.

"Stretch out my suffering for 7 years. I don't want it focused into 1-2 seasons of true tanking"

The tanking process is the ugly part, but once you complete that then we're effectively right back to where we've been every single year for the last 30 years - trying to do our absolute best to be a good team. Focus the tank, and then hope that after 1-2 seasons of it, your management team is good enough to start improving the team from within and from external sources.

Rebuilding does not equate 7 years of tanking. It's a 1-2 year process of tanking to hopefully acquire the required pieces in spots 1-3 in the draft, followed by trying to build a winning team right away. The only difference to rebuilding vs. what we're doing right now is that 1-2 year window.

Why are we satisfied with spending to the cap with an under skilled, inadequate core that is completely missing the foundational pieces that 90% of Stanley Cup champions are built upon?

The "biggest mistake" of any of these last 7 (30) years is trying to build a winning team without the foundational pieces required. If we're trying to be a good team for when the new arena comes online, the only real path to that is through the rebuild - because it's the only way we're getting top-end (elite) centres/defensemen between now and then. Why are we okay with all these high end players being in other cities and winning championship? Where are our elite players? The blueprint to get them is visible to everyone.

Tanking is a 1-2 year process????

No. Just...no.

It is 5, 6, 8, 10 years at times. Look up North. 1 year in the playoffs the last 14....3 different "rebuilds" in that time. Buffalo and Florida are not much behind.

Dump all your high priced/top line guys now...its 3 drafts worth of picks minimum to replace them....and that is IF you hit on the right picks to do so. Some of those guys can take 3 or 4 years to start to be NHL players whom can replace existing production.

2 years to rebuild is complete nonsense.

Hell look at the Rangers. They are in year 3 AND had the benefit of having 2 guys (Panarin and Fox) that would only sign there, have drafted top 10 the last 4 years and they are still arent close to being a playoff team, never mind a contender.

Its been 8 years since they drafted Mackinnon, Landeskog a decade ago....and they are just now (and last season) getting close.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

The dumbest thing about that survey? All the people saying trade Gaudreau, and Monahan, but almost 50% were opposed to a rebuild.

...like...what?

I guess people are under the delusion that we’re going to get a couple elite pieces back in exchange for Guadreau and Monahan.

The fanbase is going to melt down over the return we get for those guys.