What are you sick of doing?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Dan02

The complex I live in has 494 units downtown, when you go out of downtown to say Tuxedo, the same land area where we have 494 unit, has 10 single family houses. There are 50 times more pipes and roads and electric lines to maintain to service the same number of properties.

Instead of 1 garbage/recycling pickup, there's 494 separate pickups.

I could go on but hopefully that helps you understand the difference in the level of costs to maintain the infrastructure.

It is massively more expensive to service SFH in the suburbs then multifamily buildings yet the differences aren't reflected reasonably in the tax rates.

There's also the example of fire services. A singly fire hydrant downtown can service hundreds of people given the density. A hydrant in the burbs may service / reach 1/4 of that amount of people. That required water infrastructure (and its costs) doesn't just magically appear out of thin air.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by habernac

I'm sick of reading about sprawl vs inner city vs suburbs. Make your own ####ty thread for that.

I'm not sick of having discussions on a discussion forum.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Buff

I'm sick of slipping on icy sidewalks when out walking the dog. I'm also sick of the option of either slipping on sidewalk or slipping on road

I'm also sick of City of Lethbridge not doing a Damn thing about people who don't shovel their walk ways.

I'm legit thinking of calling bylaw on the house down the street that never shovels their walk. The people who live there aren't elderly (they're mid-50s) or disabled - they're just lazy. They have not bothered to shovel even once this winter. And it's not as though they're tucked into a circle or close - we live on a broad drive with heavy pedestrian traffic.

Come to think of it, they're overweight and the only time I've ever seen them is getting into and out of their car. They never walk anywhere, so I guess they figure there's no need to shovel their walk. Lazy ####s.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Dan02

The complex I live in has 494 units downtown, when you go out of downtown to say Tuxedo, the same land area where we have 494 unit, has 10 single family houses. There are 50 times more pipes and roads and electric lines to maintain to service the same number of properties.

Instead of 1 garbage/recycling pickup, there's 494 separate pickups.

I could go on but hopefully that helps you understand the difference in the level of costs to maintain the infrastructure.

It is massively more expensive to service SFH in the suburbs then multifamily buildings yet the differences aren't reflected reasonably in the tax rates.

We're on the same side of the debate but it's a little grayer, because there are many multifamily buildings at the city edge as well as in the inner city. The other aspect is many multifamily buildings have private waste management contracts paid through condo fees and not fully through a City of Calgary utility fee. Most don't recycle/compost.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

In some cases, yes, having it very consolidated does lower the cost per person/land, I'll totally agree with that. I'm also not comparing a suburb house to a condo unit, I was strictly speaking of inner vs burbs. There are tons of condo's outside of the inner city and the same building outside of the inner city with the same # of units will be cheaper to service the closer to the source of the services it is, especially in an area designed to handle it from the get go.

Upgrading a inner city lot to a large condo unit typically requires services upgraded, and this all costs money too. There's a crap ton of sewage pumping stations just handling the extra flow from these buildings that have to be maintained, in addition to the upsized piping. The more you have, the more costly it becomes. Now, I also see a benefit of having 4 condo buildings on the same block so you can use one pumping station of 250hp pumps instead of spreading them out. The matter isn't as simple as everyone makes it though, services isn't just the amount of pipe/wire it takes to service one person.

I'd really like to see the city breakdown service maintenance costs for specific areas, but we likely will never get that info.

The service upgrade costs due to development are covered by the developer.

Even a new single family redevelopment pays anywhere from 15,000 - 30,000 for utility connections depending on conditions. It's not covered through taxes. I believe large multifamily developments pay into an infrastructure fund at time of construction to cover future utility main upgrades. Don't quote me on that, maybe someone in the know can verify that.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Most don't recycle/compost.

Condos are required to do both in Calgary so I would be surprised if this is true.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Condos are required to do both in Calgary so I would be surprised if this is true.

Ok, I see the city has made this a requirement since 2016/17.

The buildings on my street definitely don't, so there's no or minimal enforcement of this requirement. Either way, if it's done it's through private contract.

[Muta]

My condo building does both. Hell, there's a massive bin for empty bottles that continually fills up, I'm surprised more people don't raid and pillage it.

[Shin Pad]

I can't imagine living in a Condo building with 400 or more units. Then again, it seems like a lot of people like it. I guess you have a different perspective when you are young and single than you do when you are an old geezer like me.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

I'm legit thinking of calling bylaw on the house down the street that never shovels their walk. The people who live there aren't elderly (they're mid-50s) or disabled - they're just lazy. They have not bothered to shovel even once this winter. And it's not as though they're tucked into a circle or close - we live on a broad drive with heavy pedestrian traffic.

Come to think of it, they're overweight and the only time I've ever seen them is getting into and out of their car. They never walk anywhere, so I guess they figure there's no need to shovel their walk. Lazy ####s.

I have called bylaw. Nothing came of it. There are a few houses we pass by on our walks that have never shovelled in the 3 years since we got our dog.

Once I tripped over an extension cord that was partially buried in the snow going across the sidewalk to a vehicle. It unplugged the cord from the car. My wife said she saw an angry guy waiting for AMA to boost his vehicle the next morning. Take that! ... I was tempted to leave a note telling the guy to get a lawyer. I wouldn't have followed through, just an idle threat to hopefully motivate him to shovel and not leave the cord running across the sidewalk... My friend's parents bought that house the next summer, they said the previous person was a divorced lawyer. lol

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Shin Pad

I can't imagine living in a Condo building with 400 or more units. Then again, it seems like a lot of people like it. I guess you have a different perspective when you are young and single than you do when you are an old geezer like me.

Isn't that what an old folks home is?

[Shin Pad]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Isn't that what an old folks home is?

Hopefully I have a ways to go before I'm in one of those. Maybe I'll be like my dad - lived in his own house until he was 97. Went into an old folks home for the last year of his life.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

We're on the same side of the debate but it's a little grayer, because there are many multifamily buildings at the city edge as well as in the inner city. The other aspect is many multifamily buildings have private waste management contracts paid through condo fees and not fully through a City of Calgary utility fee. Most don't recycle/compost.

The strict delineation between a dense core and suburban outskirts is also a false dichotomoy, for sure

[Minnie]

Beyond the usual household drudgery chores (cooking, cleaning), I'm sick and tired of the idiot dog walkers that live here, that have no clue that a crescent means there are 2 entrances to our street, so none of them have to drive across my lawn to turn around in the middle of the street, so they can park on the other side.

I'm also sick and tired of having to chase them away from parking across the end of my driveway because "they just didn't realize it was a driveway." Um, for real? Ok then, here's your sign.

I'm tired of having to haul either the organics or recycling bin down to the street every morning, tired of having to haul it back up in the evening, to sit them on the street in front of our driveway to stop people from blocking said driveway.

I'm sick and tired of having to phone our useless AF bylaw eejits to come do something about driveway blockers and having them do nothing, thereby meaning I have to haul the effing bins back and forth daily because the effing dogwalkers are so effing stupid, they should let their dogs think for them, because they're obviously smarter than their owners.

Edited to add: I'm also sick and tired of the city never cleaning the egress and ingress areas of sidewalks, and leaving giant windrows in the middle of the street, so that my daughter and other disabled people can't get anywhere in their mobility scooters or wheelchairs. Not everyone has people to go pick up their groceries/meds, etc. It's not like this is a new concept, peabrains, this complaint gets leveled every winter. Get a clue.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Beyond the usual household drudgery chores (cooking, cleaning), I'm sick and tired of the idiot dog walkers that live here, that have no clue that a crescent means there are 2 entrances to our street, so none of them have to drive across my lawn to turn around in the middle of the street, so they can park on the other side.

I'm also sick and tired of having to chase them away from parking across the end of my driveway because "they just didn't realize it was a driveway." Um, for real? Ok then, here's your sign.

I'm tired of having to haul either the organics or recycling bin down to the street every morning, tired of having to haul it back up in the evening, to sit them on the street in front of our driveway to stop people from blocking said driveway.

I'm sick and tired of having to phone our useless AF bylaw eejits to come do something about driveway blockers and having them do nothing, thereby meaning I have to haul the effing bins back and forth daily because the effing dogwalkers are so effing stupid, they should let their dogs think for them, because they're obviously smarter than their owners.

That would be super annoying. The blocking of the driveway is a totally brain dead move on their part.
I suspect you are inner city, near a really nice park though!

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by peter12

The missing middle is what’s missing from Canadian housing supply. Gradual density is a big part of decent urban living - think townhouses, quadplexes, four storey walk-ups etc...

You know, the composition of basically every city before 1980.

I'm hoping those aren't built anymore because people have learned not to build those types of buildings. Ffffff-ck wood-frame walk-up apartments, never again. You could live under a single 5-foot tall underweight woman who moved like she was practicing to be Solid Snake, and it would sound like a family of elephants moved in above you. After living in one for the first four years of my life in this city, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I'm hoping those aren't built anymore because people have learned not to build those types of buildings. Ffffff-ck wood-frame walk-up apartments, never again. You could live under a single 5-foot tall underweight woman who moved like she was practicing to be Solid Snake, and it would sound like a family of elephants moved in above you. After living in one for the first four years of my life in this city, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Finally after all these years the building code increased the sound transmission class levels and requirements. Will it be enough? Time will tell.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Finally after all these years the building code increased the sound transmission class levels and requirements. Will it be enough? Time will tell.

Narrator: *it was not*

Would never live in a wood framed building again.

[peter12]

I’ve lived in a couple and didn’t mind them at all.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Hated living in a wood condo. And I was top floor and had great neighbours with no pets or kids. It was living in the worlds least soundproof house.