09-23-2019, 07:06 PM
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#141
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Peterborough, ON
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Yup. Every team still has misses but that's a good group, and a mix of players from early, mid and late in the draft.
That to me is a sign of a scouting staff doing good work.
Layer in the fact this organization hasn't had a ton of picks - and I think you have to feel good about things.
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Yep, my only issue with drafting as of late has been a lack of total picks - not the quality of the picks.
We have received assets in return for those traded picks, but I hope we stop bleeding them in the near future so we can begin restocking the cupboard.
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09-23-2019, 07:11 PM
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#142
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by dino7c
Still is IMO...every analyst I have heard agrees. Maybe you are smarter than all of them
Colorado would sign this deal with Rantenen in a heartbeat...he would want more
56 point player in Vancouver got a mil and change less
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The 56 point player in Vancouver is their best player give or take Petterson. IMO that makes a difference.
A bunch of analysts had Johnny’s contract at $8M. Gio’s at $9M IIRC. I actually don’t remember any analyst saying what a three year deal for Point would look like - they usually are dealing with longer terms in their predictions.
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09-23-2019, 07:14 PM
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#143
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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09-23-2019, 07:18 PM
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#145
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Double post
Last edited by GioforPM; 09-23-2019 at 07:25 PM.
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09-23-2019, 07:22 PM
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#146
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
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Thanks for sharing. That is a great article.
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“It was very important for Brayden to be there for the start of the season and in order to do that, he needed to be on a plane by Friday at the latest,” said Point’s agent, Gerry Johannson. “Tampa wanted him there and Brayden wanted to be in Tampa. There was no way he was not going to be in the lineup opening night.”
Lightning GM Julien BriseBois made it very clear very early on in the process that he didn’t really care about league trends and that a couple of things remained absolute: 1. Almost everyone in Tampa takes a bridge deal, and 2. He was not going to tear his roster apart to accommodate the demands of an RFA without arbitration rights whose only leverage was withholding his services and hindering his own development
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09-23-2019, 07:41 PM
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#147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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“It was very important for Brayden to be there for the start of the season and in order to do that, he needed to be on a plane by Friday at the latest,” said Point’s agent, Gerry Johannson. “Tampa wanted him there and Brayden wanted to be in Tampa. There was no way he was not going to be in the lineup opening night.”
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That's a weird quote considering it has been said that Point won't be ready to play until the end of October because he had hip surgery during the summer.
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09-23-2019, 07:44 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by getbak
That's a weird quote considering it has been said that Point won't be ready to play until the end of October because he had hip surgery during the summer.
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“Be there” must have been meant as part of the term in general, not on the ice, I guess.
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09-23-2019, 07:56 PM
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#150
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Franchise Player
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Put me in the bridge deal camp, 3 yrs = $19M for #19. I don't care about the QO situation, if you can't extend him by midway through year 2 of the deal you simply trade him at pretty much max value (assuming he continues upward trend)
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09-23-2019, 08:02 PM
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#151
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by powderjunkie
Put me in the bridge deal camp, 3 yrs = $19M for #19. I don't care about the QO situation, if you can't extend him by midway through year 2 of the deal you simply trade him at pretty much max value (assuming he continues upward trend)
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I would be fine with that deal
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09-23-2019, 08:44 PM
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#152
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Point's deal was spectacular in a year where he could've cashed in, injury or not. How TB does it I don't know, but I suspect the virtual tax free environment of Florida helped move this along.
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09-23-2019, 08:51 PM
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#153
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fleury
Point's deal was spectacular in a year where he could've cashed in, injury or not. How TB does it I don't know, but I suspect the virtual tax free environment of Florida helped move this along.
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How does the tax situation help that? If the contract were for more money, he would have saved even more tax.
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09-23-2019, 08:51 PM
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#154
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Acerbic Cyberbully
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Lightning sign Point (3yrs, $6.75 mil AAV)
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Originally Posted by fleury
Point's deal was spectacular in a year where he could've cashed in, injury or not. How TB does it I don't know, but I suspect the virtual tax free environment of Florida helped move this along.
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It’s a very good deal, but I sure wouldn’t call it “spectacular.” Given the term and compared to most of the other RFA contracts it looks pretty close to what a lot of people expected.
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09-23-2019, 09:02 PM
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#155
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
How does the tax situation help that? If the contract were for more money, he would have saved even more tax.
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I think from his standpoint he can stomach taking $7M because he pays next to nothing (or nothing on taxes). Meanwhile, someone like Marner who is making $11M after taxes in Toronto probably gets $5.5M. Numbers could be off but you get the point.
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09-23-2019, 09:10 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fleury
I think from his standpoint he can stomach taking $7M because he pays next to nothing (or nothing on taxes). Meanwhile, someone like Marner who is making $11M after taxes in Toronto probably gets $5.5M. Numbers could be off but you get the point.
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Put yourself in his shoes. If the market is $10m (for the sake of argument here) why would a player take $8M, just because they were in a better tax district? Any rational human would still demand their $10M so that they reap the benefits (instead of letting the team reap the benefits)
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09-23-2019, 09:13 PM
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#157
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
Put yourself in his shoes. If the market is $10m (for the sake of argument here) why would a player take $8M, just because they were in a better tax district? Any rational human would still demand their $10M so that they reap the benefits (instead of letting the team reap the benefits)
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It is still a massive advantage for the team...lets say he has offer sheets (probably did) they would have to be substantially more for him to actually put more money in his jeans
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09-23-2019, 09:13 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by fleury
Point's deal was spectacular in a year where he could've cashed in, injury or not. How TB does it I don't know, but I suspect the virtual tax free environment of Florida helped move this along.
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Florida is NOT tax free. Far from it. You don't pay state taxes on personal income, but they get you coming and going on pretty well everything else.
Here's a graph from 2017 of tax rates for players.
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09-23-2019, 09:23 PM
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#159
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dino7c
It is still a massive advantage for the team...lets say he has offer sheets (probably did) they would have to be substantially more for him to actually put more money in his jeans
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But it isn't going to cause an RFA to take less money. Period.
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09-23-2019, 09:37 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Enoch Root
But it isn't going to cause an RFA to take less money. Period.
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Well it could...
He might have an offer sheet that is higher but makes more actual money in Tampa...so why bother signing it
There are obviously many other factors, just in theory
Lets say the Habs offered him the 8.5M...he could try to get Tampa to match that and risk going to the Habs or he could stay with Tampa at 6.75 and make the same take home
If he was a RFA in say Toronto he would be more inclined to force their hand and make 8.5M in either Toronto or Montreal
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