Friedman's 31 thoughts - Feb 19 - Flames are a stealth destination for Duchene?

[Heavy Jack]

Would Edmonton at least consider a Frolik + prospect/pick for Puljujarvi trade if we went about adding a big contract like Duchene? The sad part is I don’t think they could take on Frolik’s caphit but they really could benefit from an NHL player like Frolik in their lineup.

Jankowski + Dube + 1st for Duchene at 8 x 8


Frolik + prospect ??? for Puljujarvi

Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Duchene - Neal
Bennett - Backlund - Puljujarvi
Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway
Quine, Lazar

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kylington - Andersson
Valimaki - Prout
Stone

Rittich
Smith

[Vinny01]

I don’t see the Oilers sending a player with Puljujarvi’s upside to their most hated rival.

[Heavy Jack]

Dreamers can dream though am I right

[bax]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Dreamers can dream though am I right

I'm not dreaming of that at all.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Puljujarvi is Finnish not Swedish

Crap, that's right.
it's sounding more and more like he might head home rather than sign a deal with the Oilers. So do they trade him now, wait until summer, or hang on, hope he finds his game in Finland and then trade him? either way, the expected return appears to be diminishing.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Brodie is a point away from six consecutive 30 point seasons. He plays in all situations and yes, there's a Gio boost, but he's still a damn good player, and he's better than Cody Ceci. This is not arguable.

Yes, please go more in depth about how much better Brodie is based on your limited viewings of Ottawa Senators games. Brodie, the guy who's being made expendable in many peoples trade proposals? Maybe Ceci is more defense heavy focussed (would make sense considering Chabot is offensive minded).

I was merely stating that they are similar age wise playing similar minutes, that is the comparison. As in, its redundant to move Ceci at the deadline and bring in Brodie. Nitpicking is annoying.

If you go by that logic then Adam Larsson and Darnell Nurse are also comparable to Brodie.

His logic was that Brodie is top pairing and Ceci bottom. TOI just shows who is handling the majority of the workload and, as he implied by Ceci's pairing was much less, which is wrong. Ceci is not even on the bottom pairing.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Bennett - Backlund - Puljujarvi

Between Backlund and JP, we would have a full Finn and Swede.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Yes, please go more in depth about how much better Brodie is based on your limited viewings of Ottawa Senators games. Brodie, the guy who's being made expendable in many peoples trade proposals? Maybe Ceci is more defense heavy focussed (would make sense considering Chabot is offensive minded).

I was merely stating that they are similar age wise playing similar minutes, that is the comparison. As in, its redundant to move Ceci at the deadline and bring in Brodie. Nitpicking is annoying.



His logic was that Brodie is top pairing and Ceci bottom. TOI just shows who is handling the majority of the workload and, as he implied by Ceci's pairing was much less, which is wrong. Ceci is not even on the bottom pairing.

Ceci plays on the worst team in the league so again it doesn’t matter that he plays those minutes. He wouldn’t even crack the Flames regular lineup.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Ceci is a really bad hockey player by NHL standards. Brodie is not. I can't believe this is even a debate. He's not even a good defensive defenseman - 16.4% of the time he had the puck in his own end last year, he turned it over. That's league basement stuff. You don't want him even on your bottom pairing.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ceci plays on the worst team in the league so again it doesn’t matter that he plays those minutes. He wouldn’t even crack the Flames regular lineup.

Then what is the point in acquiring rentals from ####ty teams if their contributions to that team are apparently null because the team sucks?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Ceci plays on the worst team in the league so again it doesn’t matter that he plays those minutes. He wouldn’t even crack the Flames regular lineup.

He wouldn't be top 8 D on this team, and I suspect we might prefer Prout for the facepunching too.

[DomeFoam]

Again, not comparing who's better just saying Senators wouldn't trade for Brodie when they are moving out D that can log the same minutes and Brodie is approaching 30.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Then what is the point in acquiring rentals from ####ty teams if their contributions to that team are apparently null because the team sucks?

I think there is a good chance that both Brodie and Ceci are traded in the calendar year of 2019 and you will then see the vast difference of how those players are viewed league wide.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Then what is the point in acquiring rentals from ####ty teams if their contributions to that team are apparently null because the team sucks?

Cody Ceci is an awful player who plays big minutes on the Senators because they lack the defensive talent pool to marginalize him.

Stone, Dzingel, Duchene, Pageau, Chabot are damn good players on the Senators despite them being a team that plays Cody Ceci on their top pair.

Remember Top Four Defenseman Chris Butler? Well his value had no bearing on the value of Backlund, Brodie, Giordano, Stempniak, or Cammalleri.

Originally Posted by DomeFoam

Again, not comparing who's better just saying Senators wouldn't trade for Brodie when they are moving out D that can log the same minutes and Brodie is approaching 30.

30 is not old for a top pair defenseman. Top Pair D are usually effective through to 34, 35, 36, 37, 38. If the Sens had designs of extending Brodie it would make a ton of sense for them to add an actual top pair D to play with Chabot. Look at guys like Rafalski, Markov, Weber, Giordano, Chara, Lidstrom, Keith. 30 was not old. Many of them even got better after 30 because it's a position where experience matters most.

It would not be smart of Calgary to break up its top D pair for a forward, on the other hand.

[DomeFoam]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

30 is not old for a top pair defenseman. Top Pair D are usually effective through to 34, 35, 36, 37, 38. If the Sens had designs of extending Brodie it would make a ton of sense for them to add an actual top pair D to play with Chabot. Look at guys like Rafalski, Markov, Weber, Giordano, Chara, Lidstrom, Keith. 30 was not old. Many of them even got better after 30 because it's a position where experience matters most.

It would not be smart of Calgary to break up its top D pair for a forward, on the other hand.

Is Brodie on the same level as those guys though? Most of that list competed for the Norris throughout their years. If we were talking about Giordano at 30 being moved to the Senators than absolutely, but I feel like Brodie is being overrated here a little bit. He won't bring much to a bad Senators team and frankly, I think he would be heavily exposed.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think there is a good chance that both Brodie and Ceci are traded in the calendar year of 2019 and you will then see the vast difference of how those players are viewed league wide.

I've seen Sens fans saying they don't even think Ceci will receive a qualifying offer because they don't think he's worth the money.

[Iggy3x]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Strange comment from Friedman after the Nemeth mention. brings up Treliving being cautious about goaltending but that particular thought didn't even bring it up. Just D. Feels like something is missing there. Kicking tires on Varlamov?

Watching Vasilevskiy play the last few games, I think we need to upgrade on goal to match Tempa. Our forward and D are good enough and can play against anyone, but we need a star goalie who can also steal games for us. I want a big name if we can get it.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Iggy3x

Watching Vasilevskiy play the last few games, I think we need to upgrade on goal to match Tempa. Our forward and D are good enough and can play against anyone, but we need a star goalie who can also steal games for us. I want a big name if we can get it.

Like who?

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Iggy3x

Watching Vasilevskiy play the last few games, I think we need to upgrade on goal to match Tempa. Our forward and D are good enough and can play against anyone, but we need a star goalie who can also steal games for us. I want a big name if we can get it.

I don’t think there is enough upgrading possible to match TB.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Like who?

Since we can't trust David Rittich and his .911 SV% we should go after actual cup or Vezina winners like:

Carey Price - .916
Pekka Rinne - .916
Matt Murray - .913
Henrik Lundqvist - .909
Marc-Andre Fleury - .908
Braden Holtby - .907
Sergei Bobrovsky - .904
Corey Crawford - .902
Jonathan Quick - .899

After all, Rittich should have maybeeee had that Lievo goal against the Canucks...

Originally Posted by Yoho

I don’t think there is enough upgrading possible to match TB.

They're not unbeatable but the improvements needed to be made are more subtle... fix the PK, have Neal play (shoot/score) like he is supposed to, fix team discipline.