Dougie Hamilton - Was there more to this trade than meets the eye?

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the end Lou's end of season interview on the Fan was telling.

He's not one who ever trashes players, especially good ole' canadian kids who played junior here, but he really threw Hamilton under the bus during that interview.

Probably should have been the first sign that those close to and within the organization had really soured on the guy.

What did Lou say?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

What did Lou say?

IIRC it was a fan call in show. A fan asked Lou about Hamilton not busting his ass back after turnovers and Lou said something along the lines of, yeah a lot of us see Hamilton’s lack of urgency. Lou was basically like, I’m not going to defend Hamilton on this one, his effort level is questionable at times.

That’s a rough paraphrase from something I heard months ago. I’m sure we could dig up the audio again.

[Strange Brew]

So why didn't the Flames put Brodie with Giordano last year? Because Hamilton wasn't thrilled with the idea?

Primadonna athletes are nothing new.

[ZedMan]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1011296596800294912

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by Toonage

He wasn't even in Calgary on garbage bag day. I think thats what Lou was getting at

Garbage day started weeks before the season ended.

[rhino]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So why didn't the Flames put Brodie with Giordano last year? Because Hamilton wasn't thrilled with the idea?

Primadonna athletes are nothing new.

My guess was that was good old GG refusing to change anything and at exit interviews they told Hamilton they were going to move Brodie back next year to hopefully form 2 solids pairs and that’s where his problem was.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by rhino

My guess was that was good old GG refusing to change anything and at exit interviews they told Hamilton they were going to move Brodie back next year to hopefully form 2 solids pairs and that’s where his problem was.

Why mess with the shut down pairing of Gio-Hamilton mid season? They were good together and the thought of a Brodie-Hamilton pairing scares me. They’d probably be minuses every night.

This whole Dougie isn’t happy about his role narrative doesn’t make sense to me. He was playing on the #1 pair this entire season and he was playing with Chara when he allegedly wanted out in Boston. Peters never mentioned anything about splitting up a dominant analytics pair either, that goes against his philosophy.

What makes more sense to me is his brother. Freddie was playing in Worcester (1 hour away from Boston) the entire time Dougie was playing in Boston. There were seemingly no problems then, except in 2015 when Freddie was traded. That’s when Dougie supposedly wanted out and the rumors started that he was a “loner.”

Fast forward to 2018 where Freddie and Dougie are teammates again and living together. No problems up until Freddie was waived to Arizona, then Dougie has that whole bizarre media scrum refusing to answer any question regarding his brother. Then Dougie goes on to blow off the media during the exit interviews despite scoring a career high 17 goals. What’s to hate about his role on the team?

To me, everything points to his brother. There’s too many coincidences and too many stories that leads me to believe otherwise. Dougie seems quiet, reserved and not the most openly social guy. He doesn’t strike me as a selfish prima-dona who only cares about himself.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So why didn't the Flames put Brodie with Giordano last year? Because Hamilton wasn't thrilled with the idea?

Because Brodie shoots left and Hamilton shoots right, and Glen Gulutzan loves him some square pegs in round holes. I doubt Hamilton was even consulted about it.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

So why didn't the Flames put Brodie with Giordano last year? Because Hamilton wasn't thrilled with the idea?

Primadonna athletes are nothing new.

Maybe this also sheds some light on why Gulutzan lost his job. The GM talked a lot at season's end about the failure of leadership and directly implicated the coaching staff in this. Perhaps this is a sign that the former coaches struggled with making hard decisions which extended to the lineup.

[H2SO4(aq)]

What kinda grown adult spazzes out about their brother not being employed at the same place as them? His interview refusing to talk about it was super bizarre too.

[iloveicedhockey]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

spazzes out

Sigh. Be better.

[FireGilbert]

There is some interesting speculation in this thread. I am kind of thinking the trade was made for two reasons:

1. The Flames traded for Hamilton expecting him to be their long term number 1 defenceman. After a few years the team realised from a variety of factors that Hamilton was not going to fill this role and decided to move on.

2. Peters and Treliving decide to re-unite Gio and Brodie pushing Hamilton down the depth chart. You don't want Hamilton to be wasted on the 2nd pairing so you trade him to fill other holes.

[It's a great day 4 hockey]

I believe the Dougie "me first" attitude is no better observed by his behavior when he was interviewed about his brother being claimed. I remember watching him repeat himself something along the lines of he was just there to help win hockey games. It was childlike and unoriginal.

I remember thinking at the time about how much controversy Freddie taking away a opportunity would cause for guys on the farm, in being rewarded for working hard. Makes a huge difference for those guys to go from an AHL to a NHL paycheck, even if it is for a couple of weeks.

Combine that with guys on the big club probably being frustrated by the team not having a chance to improve in that area, a "clog in the machine" so to speak. Freddie was given more than enough time show if he could stick. No question that was all about keeping Dougie happy.

[soulchoice]

The whole Freddie Hamilton and brother aspect was the one that always pissed me off. The drama is equally if not more destructive than dealing with a player whos agent is their Father. Freddie is not an NHL player and he got three years of payment, so for that the Hamilton clan should be happy. He had no business being on the Flames roster. I think that has the most to do with the apathy or anger Dougie had for the Flames on this one. Truly showed once Freddie was put on waivers. I mean for goodness sakes, they both played in Junior on the same team, now Boston/Worcestor and the Flames, that is not coincidence.

Losing Dougie hurts the team as he is a great player. I think he truly is probably a great person with his charity work and seems to be a pretty caring and emotional guy(hospital and kids). However in my opinion that is not a reason to keep someone around if they are not happy in the org. I am one that couldnt care less if a player is good in the community or is a role model. They could be a serial cheater with someone that hates puppies and kids. All i care about is whether he contributes to my team winning.

Lets just hope Hanifin can close the gap this year and for the future. Yes, he is an elite skater, but now is not as good offensively and from what I have seen and heard from those who are Carolina fans(I have family in Raleigh), he is very suspect defensively and needs alot of work on that part of his game.

[Dion]

Craig Button was on QR77 with Jock Wilson. He ripped the media and the fans for the supposed undercurrents comments regarding Dougie Hamilton. Thought it was classless and mean.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by It's a great day 4 hockey

I believe the Dougie "me first" attitude is no better observed by his behavior when he was interviewed about his brother being traded. I remember watching him repeat himself something along the lines of he was just there to help win hockey games. It was childlike and unoriginal.

I remember thinking at the time about how much controversy Freddie taking away a opportunity would cause for guys on the farm, in being rewarded for working hard. Makes a huge difference for those guys to go from an AHL to a NHL paycheck, even if it is for a couple of weeks.

Combine that with guys on the big club probably being frustrated by the team not having a chance to improve in that area, a "clog in the machine" so to speak. Freddie was given more than enough time show if he could stick. No question that was all about keeping Dougie happy.

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

Dougie took the high road. He was continually being baited into saying something negative and creating a bigger story. He didn't bite.

[It's a great day 4 hockey]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Sorry, but that's nonsense.

Dougie took the high road. He was continually being baited into saying something negative and creating a bigger story. He didn't bite.

Couldn't disagree more with you. If Dougie wanted to take the high road he would have wished his brother well and be excited for him to have an opportunity to maybe play in the NHL and get another contract.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Keep thinking about the Regehr brothers as a comparable. Hell, Darryl Sutter traded his own kid and fired his brother.

Family is family. Business is business.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

What kinda grown adult spazzes out about their brother not being employed at the same place as them? His interview refusing to talk about it was super bizarre too.

Imagine you are Dougie Hamilton. You like playing hockey with your brother, you appreciate the team picking him up, but you can live without him on the team.

However, rumours spread that you demanded your brother be on the team, but that's not true. Over the next 2 years and until your brother is traded, you keep hearing the same baseless rumours and have no idea where they are coming from. Over all this time, they've started to annoy you. You know the media talks about it, you know fans talk about it.

And the day comes when your brother finally leaves the team.

What's the first question you get asked about after practice the next day? How do you feel after two years of these accusations? How are you supposed to respond?

[Royle9]

Interesting article on Bardown:

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I know one of final straws w/Bruins was a team trip to Vegas after season ended where every player on team went. Except for Dougie & Reilly Smith and they were both gone that offseason. I wouldn't say he was a bad kid at all. Just a combination of too sensitive & too self-focused