[News] Tavares tells the Islanders he is leaving

[indes]

I doubt the cost of living is high on someone's list who's about to cash in for 90 million USD. I would think location/success/taxes would be way higher.

[sureLoss]

Apparently Evander Kane was part of the Sharks contingent when they made their presentation to Tavares.

Presumably he was there to teach Tavares a crash course on how to take selfies with stacks of cash.

[Mr.Coffee]

When is the final rose ceremony for this so we can stop seeing the nonstop Twitter updates?

“John’s taking a leak now... expect he’ll be done in 2-3 minutes..”

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Unfortunately you have to look at Calgary as the least desirable location in the NHlL for the coming season.

Our team isn’t competitive.
Our building is obsolete.
Our travel is some of the worst in the league.
Canadian taxes.
Winter.

The only difference between Calgary and Edmonton right now is that they have a new building and Connor McDavid. So I guarantee if a player has a no trade list we’re on it.

Some of this stuff is out of our hands. Fortunately the two biggest factors for players are 1) money and 2) chance at a cup, so hopefully Peters and our new players can put up some wins and we can step in the right direction.

Thankfully at least for this coming season we have a shot at making the playoffs. Unlike the dumpster fire up north.

The largest (and most important) difference is that Calgary actually has cap space. The Oilers are in among the word cap situations in the league. They will barely be able to sign their RFAs. Like you said, the biggest factor is probably money.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Apparently Evander Kane was part of the Sharks contingent when they made their presentation to Tavares.

Presumably he was there to teach Tavares a crash course on how to take selfies with stacks of cash.

Kane was not part of SJ’s pitch. He was in LA, but not part of the contingent.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Tavares in Calgary would make the Flames an instant contender. Small question mark with Smith, but it wouldn't worry me personally. Calgary also has a premier shut-down line, a very good defensive corps that move the puck exceptionally well, and most of the core is younger than Tavares himself. If they wouldn't be instant contenders, they would be very damn close.


However, the same could be said of most teams not named Edmonton and Buffalo. Take out the teams that are just rebuilding or should be rebuilding. The rest would more or less become contenders.


It isn't just adding an 80+ point center. It is adding an 80+ point franchise center who has a fairly decorated history of turning decent depth players into sought after UFAs. Everyone he plays with puts up solid numbers that are outliers on the rest of their careers. You essentially get a full line (given you have at least 'average' forwards). That's what makes Tavares a bit of a solid value signing regardless of the cap hit - as long as the teams don't fall in love with the wingers and re-sign them for high cap hits.


It is a hail-mary just for the Flames to be one of the phone calls at this point, but anyone here think the fortunes of this franchise wouldn't instantly turn around?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Unfortunately you have to look at Calgary as the least desirable location in the NHlL for the coming season.

Our team isn’t competitive.
Our building is obsolete.
Our travel is some of the worst in the league.
Canadian taxes.
Winter.

The only difference between Calgary and Edmonton right now is that they have a new building and Connor McDavid. So I guarantee if a player has a no trade list we’re on it.

Some of this stuff is out of our hands. Fortunately the two biggest factors for players are 1) money and 2) chance at a cup, so hopefully Peters and our new players can put up some wins and we can step in the right direction.

Thankfully at least for this coming season we have a shot at making the playoffs. Unlike the dumpster fire up north.

I guarantee the Flames are not on every no trade list in the NHL

I will give you the building though, which is why I find it so funny the same fans that don't think a new arena is absolutely necessary complain about having a mediocre team.

[Poe969]

A new building would be nice but it isn't that important. The oil have a new rink, guys aren't lining up to sign there.

The team philosophy needs to be changed. Tavares not considering the Flames has everything to do with the team and their lack of direction.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Poe969

A new building would be nice but it isn't that important. The oil have a new rink, guys aren't lining up to sign there.

The team philosophy needs to be changed. Tavares not considering the Flames has everything to do with the team and their lack of direction.

I can assure you it doesn't...Dallas has a direction? Islanders? Kings who just signed a 35 year old and scored 3 goals in an entire playoff series?

Arena is a factor for sure, stability of the franchise

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Last one I can think of offhand was Marian Hossa signing with the Blackhawks (and Red Wings the year before that). Before that, Chara going to the Bruins was a pretty big deal. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

And both of those teams won cups after signing those deals.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Last one I can think of offhand was Marian Hossa signing with the Blackhawks (and Red Wings the year before that). Before that, Chara going to the Bruins was a pretty big deal. It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

Chara was in no way comparable. What Chara became with the Bruins was not what the Senators thought they had. Don’t forget that they picked Reden over him and the entire Pizza Line was considered more important. So really he was considered the fifth best player on his own (very good) team.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Chara was in no way comparable. What Chara became with the Bruins was not what the Senators thought they had. Don’t forget that they picked Reden over him and the entire Pizza Line was considered more important. So really he was considered the fifth best player on his own (very good) team.

Chara became exactly who everyone knew he was going to be. The only people who didn't were the fools overreacting to a bad playoff. They accused him of being some mercenary who just wanted to cash in as a UFA.

It was plain as day who Zdeno Chara was when he signed with Boston, and Ottawa is about to have to watch another defenseman make the Hall of Fame and win a championship in a different sweater because the common thread here is Melnyk.

[Oil Stain]

Ottawa just viewed Redden as being better I guess. Or equal and willing to take less money and term. Pretty defensible position at the time.

Both guys were 28 years old when Chara left. Chara signed for cap max or very close to it. Everyone knew he was great.

Who would have predicted Redden would fall apart completely by 31?

Chara on the other hand has been blessed with freakish longevity.

Can't really blame anyone for not seeing that coming.

[Oling_Roachinen]

A bit revisionist history. Redden and Chara were absolutely close. It was pretty much split on who people thought was better. Many were concerned that Chara was too slow for the new NHL to really become a franchise defenseman, especially after the playoffs. Redden was seen as the best pucking moving defenseman at the time. The decision to keep Redden over Chara wasn't really scrutinize at the time, as the case would be if they were giving up "Boston Chara." Redden for cheaper was probably the deciding factor, and that was because Spezza and Heatley needed new contracts soon and were seen as more important. Of course Alfredsson was their captain and probably considered the most important player. It's not exactly a slight to Chara at the time, as each one of those players had either put up 100 points or were on pace to before injury.

Rumours here and there, but at the end of the day the Senators had the opportunity to keep Chara if they wanted to, that much can't really be denied. And they didn't, he just wasn't the franchise player on that team.

Tavares is different in that regard. However, I think it's quite apparent I view Tavares in much higher regard than many others on this site. He's a clearcut franchise player.

[iloveicedhockey]

Frank seravalli just tweeted that JT would get $6m more after tax on a 7 year deal with Tampa and Dallas than he would on an 8 year deal with the islanders (based on 10m per year).

After being underpaid for so long, I wouldn't blame him if he chose either of those two.

[Toonage]

For the intrigue and trickle down effect I want to see him go to Tampa now.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Frank seravalli just tweeted that JT would get $6m more after tax on a 7 year deal with Tampa and Dallas than he would on an 8 year deal with the islanders (based on 10m per year).

After being underpaid for so long, I wouldn't blame him if he chose either of those two.

And both of those teams know that and will offer him about $1M less per season. They will show that in NY he will make $10M but the take home pay will be the same from $8.5M from them and that is what they will offer (see Stamkos)

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by iloveicedhockey

Frank seravalli just tweeted that JT would get $6m more after tax on a 7 year deal with Tampa and Dallas than he would on an 8 year deal with the islanders (based on 10m per year).

After being underpaid for so long, I wouldn't blame him if he chose either of those two.

That is a lot of money, but if Tavares is presumably attempting to strike a perfect balance here between his earning power and realizing his dream of winning a championship, what exactly does the Dallas Stars have to offer?

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by Toonage

For the intrigue and trickle down effect I want to see him go to Tampa now.

Me too.

I feel like they wouldn't keep Tyler Johnson at 5 million for 6 more years.

Those are some sweepstakes that realistically the Flames would be in on. Means we could swap out Backlund too.

[Kickazzflames]

TSN put out a calculator so you can see how much Tavares would make from each of the cities if the contract AAV was similar.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/tavares-calculator