Can you name some perennial Norris-candidate defencemen who by their 6th season in the league still weren't trusted to kill penalties?
That’s not how it works. You manage your bench. You can’t have both top line defencemen playing the penalty kill and power play units while playing 22+ minutes a game.
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Can you name some perennial Norris-candidate defencemen who by their 6th season in the league still weren't trusted to kill penalties?
There’s “not trusted to kill penalties” and there’s “not needed to kill penalties because we have 2-4 D who are stronger deffensively than they are offensively, so it makes more sense to rest him.”
Put him on the bottom pair then. Jesus. If that actually happened (which it won't OBV) and THAT'S what you said about it I would hope the person next to you, whoever it is, would slap you upside the head.
Firstly, Sprong is bursting at the seams. He had 32 goals and 65 points in 65 AHL games last year, he was 20. He's got wheels and if you were lucky enough to trade for and put him on the top line with JG/SM he'd probably end up top 5 in Calder voting this time next season.
Secondly, Skinner is just 26 and already has three 30+ goal seasons and six 20+ goal season in the NHL. He is also a great skater which is a bonus for a team that wants to play fast.
Thirdly, even if Lindholm has topped out, which I doubt he has at 23, he's still a solid two way 45 point C with good underlying numbers and strong face off ability.
Wasn't saying sprong isn't good, not at all. I'd love him on the right side. But Mangiapane had a better ppg in his rookie year when he was only a year older at 21. He's so good he could be a sprong.
Ah so it's skinners goals you like. Fair point. Goodness knows we need someone to put it in the net. Impending contract and lingering concussion issues worry me (though it appears he's worked through those issues).
I don't think Lindholm has topped out either but if he has, it's at what we probably expect Jankowski to get to.
We can't even say they could improve under a different coach. Again, I like the players, just think the value is a little off and the risk is borne by the flames.
I do like the sprong idea though, and even lindholm on the right side. Tkachuk jankowski and sprong or Lindholm would be a nice line.
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Lindholm is consistent. Those numbers paint a model of consistency that we sorely need. I for one feel Lindholm is going to be a consistent 20-25 goal scrorer with a few season where those numbers are exceeded.
What I love about Lindholm is what a lot of people love about Tkachuk. He a really good player below the goal line and around the net. Chucky lite.
Just a glimpse of what he was doing in Carolina.
Those highlights don’t stand out to me. I like that he’s in the right place at right time but I’m not seeing the skills - the hands, the passing, the shiftiness. Granted it was one video and I hope there are more that show his skills.
However when I read this from his draft year, I’m intrigued but wondering why he doesn’t show these qualities - unless he doesn’t have them at NHL level.
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Lindholm is an offensive playmaker with outstanding vision and hand skills. He can dazzle with his stickhandling and impress with his ability to find the open man. He can take over games with the puck on his stick and is a difference-maker every shift. He has a strong skating stride and can be slippery in the offensive zone. Lindholm is versatile as a centre and winger, and will play with his heart on his sleeve. He’s very competitive and will do whatever it takes to help his team win.
Put him on the bottom pair then. Jesus. If that actually happened (which it won't OBV) and THAT'S what you said about it I would hope the person next to you, whoever it is, would slap you upside the head.
lol of course i would take that team in a heartbeat. Andersson on the top pair just made me ocd. If u kept Brodie it would have been better in my opinion. But then again he's my favorite player maybe im bias
If we trade Dougie Hamilton (who just finished 14th in Norris voting) and all we get back is Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin I will be so unbelievably pissed off it wouldn't even be funny. Huge no to that deal.
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If we trade Dougie Hamilton (who just finished 14th in Norris voting) and all we get back is Elias Lindholm and Noah Hanifin I will be so unbelievably pissed off it wouldn't even be funny. Huge no to that deal.
Isn't Hanifin just a young Hamilton? How much difference is there between Hanifin and Seth Jones when he was traded for Johansen? The kid was projected as a stud dman. He's proven himself an NHLer. Hasn't yet hit his prime or his peak.
Did something happen with Hanifin I'm not aware of? Cause he's been considered a future stud dman since before being drafted.
I'm finding it strange in this thread that some people don't seem to think Lindholm or Hanifin are extremely valuable commodities. Hanifin just scored 10 goals, 30+ points and only just turned 21. He's 6'3, skates like the wind. Like I said, is he not looking like a future Hamilton himself?
Can't really understand the reaction of being unbelievably pissed off if that was the trade. To me you'd be trading the slightly more established Hamilton for a kid who has exactly the same upside in Hanifin plus you'd be getting Lindholm on top of it who looks like a young top two line forward.
There's a disconnect here and I'm not sure if its because some people don't seem to value Lindholm/Hanifin or if some people seem to think Hamilton is one of the top young dmen in the game. Maybe a combination of both.
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Way to many people underrating Hamilton and overrating Lindholm. Hamilton is a player you can build a team around, young and locked up with a great contract. Lindholm hasn’t broke 20 goals. That would be pure robbery for Carolina.
Those highlights don’t stand out to me. I like that he’s in the right place at right time but I’m not seeing the skills - the hands, the passing, the shiftiness. Granted it was one video and I hope there are more that show his skills.
However when I read this from his draft year, I’m intrigued but wondering why he doesn’t show these qualities - unless he doesn’t have them at NHL level
Without context I would assume you were talking about Monahan. Awareness and hockey IQ is a skill.
Isn't Hanifin just a young Hamilton? How much difference is there between Hanifin and Seth Jones when he was traded for Johansen? The kid was projected as a stud dman. He's proven himself an NHLer. Hasn't yet hit his prime or his peak.
Did something happen with Hanifin I'm not aware of? Cause he's been considered a future stud dman since before being drafted.
I'm finding it strange in this thread that some people don't seem to think Lindholm or Hanifin are extremely valuable commodities. Hanifin just scored 10 goals, 30+ points and only just turned 21. He's 6'3, skates like the wind. Like I said, is he not looking like a future Hamilton himself?
Can't really understand the reaction of being unbelievably pissed off if that was the trade. To me you'd be trading the slightly more established Hamilton for a kid who has exactly the same upside in Hanifin plus you'd be getting Lindholm on top of it who looks like a young top two line forward.
There's a disconnect here and I'm not sure if its because some people don't seem to value Lindholm/Hanifin or if some people seem to think Hamilton is one of the top young dmen in the game. Maybe a combination of both.
Hamilton is one of the top young defencemen in the game. He is elite. Reasons: every defenceman he plays with is substantially better with him than without him (in Boston or in Calgary), he scores points at 5v5 the 4th fastest of all the defencemen in the league over the past 3 seasons, he is a possession monster while playing against very difficult competition.
With Haniffin, he has had very good results so far but has also been very sheltered so we don’t know what he’ll be like when he’s not so sheltered. He might be great but we don’t know. This is not worrying because he’s 21. It’s just that you are hoping he becomes what Hamilton is.
With Lindholm, he is at the age where most forwards are in their offensive primes and Hamilton has outscored him over the last 2 seasons without a full year on PP1. The positives with Lindholm are that he plays against tough opposition and his possession results are good so you’re getting a possession driver if not an offensive dynamo.
Overall, I’d say the trade probably isn’t awful but the Flames are giving up the best player in the deal and generally when teams trade elite young talent they regret it. I’d want to see Carolina add a little more.
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