[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Vinny01]

If either AV or Quenville become available the Flames need to pony up and sign one of those coaches to a long term deal. A high end coach like that will bring stability similar to what bringing in Burke did. For those that forget the Flames were a laughing stock from 2010-2013.

[Calgary4LIfe]

After the Flames fired Hartley, I really wanted the Flames to go out and hire someone like Nate Leaman from Providence who had a history of winning. He built up two programs and turned them into champions.

However, Gulutzan was a relatively inexperienced head coach (relatively being the word here - hasn't had many years of NHL head coaching experience). I think where this team is now and how the last two years have gone, I really want an experienced veteran coach who has won.

Don't hire a 'new up and coming' or 'best coach not in the NHL' type. Flames have had bad luck with those - Don Hay, Greg Gilbert, etc., though they did hit gold with Bob Johnson (I was hoping Leaman was the next Johnson).

Also, don't hire someone like Boudreau - a coach with a great regular season win percentage, but who has always coached only good teams, but never won anything (or even had much success to speak of in the playoffs).

Hire a coach who is a veteran, has a decent track record for both good teams AND poor teams, and has won the cup (or at least, has gone far, like taking a poor team or two on a 'cinderella run'). Being a task-master who is unafraid to bench top players to send a message would be great.

[jlh2640]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

After the Flames fired Hartley, I really wanted the Flames to go out and hire someone like Nate Leaman from Providence who had a history of winning. He built up two programs and turned them into champions.

However, Gulutzan was a relatively inexperienced head coach (relatively being the word here - hasn't had many years of NHL head coaching experience). I think where this team is now and how the last two years have gone, I really want an experienced veteran coach who has won.

Don't hire a 'new up and coming' or 'best coach not in the NHL' type. Flames have had bad luck with those - Don Hay, Greg Gilbert, etc., though they did hit gold with Bob Johnson (I was hoping Leaman was the next Johnson).

Also, don't hire someone like Boudreau - a coach with a great regular season win percentage, but who has always coached only good teams, but never won anything (or even had much success to speak of in the playoffs).

Hire a coach who is a veteran, has a decent track record for both good teams AND poor teams, and has won the cup (or at least, has gone far, like taking a poor team or two on a 'cinderella run'). Being a task-master who is unafraid to bench top players to send a message would be great.

Once again. I read this and think Dave Tippett.

[DiracSpike]

I want coach Q in the worst way. But for the cost it would take to get him, 4years x 6 milli, it starts to get tough for ownership to afford. That's 24 mil, basically a tenth of the cost of a new arena, so I can't blame them for not wanting to do that and those who are conducting the anti ownership bandwagon but also want Q would do well to consider that fact as well.

In the realm of reality, someone mentioned it earlier but I could happy with Dave Lowry, veteran guy with a hard side that GG clearly lacks.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Hire a coach who is a veteran, has a decent track record for both good teams AND poor teams, and has won the cup (or at least, has gone far, like taking a poor team or two on a 'cinderella run'). Being a task-master who is unafraid to bench top players to send a message would be great.

So... Bob Hartley?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Once again. I read this and think Dave Tippett.

I would be fine with Tippett - his Dallas teams were fun to watch. Compare his time from Dallas and Phoenix, and you see a coach that can create a system that fits a team. 100% ok with him coming in.

It just won't happen with Maloney (and perhaps Treliving) being here. I would even say he would be hard-pressed for anyone in the NHL to offer him a coaching job with what he pulled in Phoenix. What GM is going to offer a coach a job, when in the previous job he supposedly approached the owner and got the GM canned?

http://www.thehockeynews.com/news/ar...gle-in-arizona

To really get to the bottom of why Maloney was fired, you actually have to look at the top, as in ownership. When Andrew Barroway bought into the team, originally 54 percent worth, that was a good thing for Maloney because Barroway shared his vision of building a team with proper drafting and developing. But trouble started brewing when Barroway got a case of the shorts and had to download some of his shares in the team to Gary Drummond. While Barroway still owns more shares than anyone else, Drummond’s voice got louder and Barroway’s got softer after that transaction. Word is that Tippett allied himself with Drummond and convinced ownership that the plan needed to be fast-tracked.

Feaster supposedly undermined Rick Dudley too before replacing him (and then replaced Sutter... go figure). I guess anything can happen, but it probably wouldn't happen on THIS team with Maloney and Treliving. Maloney is also one of the most respected 'hockey guys' in the business too. Will be interesting to see if Tippett gets hired anywhere. It took years for Ted Nolan to find another chance in the NHL.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

Once again. I read this and think Dave Tippett.

I dont think there 1 chance in a million Dave Tippett is in Calgary next season or ever as long as BT is here.

Don Maloney was Trelivings mentor. Gave him his big break to get into the management side of the NHL...a very elite and small club. Maloney taught him and groomed him well enough that BT then got his own team. For that, BT will forever be loyal to Maloney and rightfully so.

So when Tippett made a power play for Maloneys job last year, IMO it completely sealed his fate to work with anyone in the Maloney management tree. A guy who had hired DT and kept him safe through some bad seasons as well as decent ones, and was stabbed in the back. Guys like that aren't usually welcomed back by those who were victimized.

At least this is how I understand what happened and if thats the case then DT will be no where near ths club at this point.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

Mojo the monkey post-Homer Simpson would be a better coach than GG

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Or the chicken they replaced Homer with down at the plant.

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Or the water drinking bird...

You’re all crazy. We need someone with a solid reputation and history of success. None of your suggestions have that.

Clearly this is the answer for the next coach of the Calgary Flames:

[Travis Munroe]

No to Lowry..... experience and a championship pedegree are important. I don't think AV is the guy for the job as he seems more of a game manager with a veteran type roster. JQ took a roster very similar to the flames current roster and won championships.

We need somebody that facing a 5 game losing streak doesn't mean calling for the coaches head because we are 99% certain it can't be the coach. Its time to find out if its the coaching or if its something else and the current set up doesn't give us an answer although I like to believe it is coaching.

Whatever JQ would cost assuming he became available would be a fraction of the cost to ownership on the missed playoff revenue.

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly I don’t see Tippett here due to the rumoured negative end with Maloney.

Coach Q and AV probably don’t end up here either.

Two names that were rumored last time around were Todd Reirden and Kevin Dineen so could see them.

Others would be Rocky Thompson (maybe an assistant role) or Ryan Huska.

[SuperMatt18]

Honestly I don’t see Tippett here due to the rumoured negative end with Maloney.

Coach Q and AV probably don’t end up here either.

Two names that were rumored last time around were Todd Reirden and Kevin Dineen so could see them.

Others would be Rocky Thompson (maybe an assistant role) or Ryan Huska.

[vennegoor of hesselink]

Originally Posted by Cowperson

Barry Trotz of Washington does not have an extension past this season.

He might be available if Washington doesn’t have a good playoff.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.ef651751564d

The Flames tried to hire Trotz in 2009 but didnt want want to leave Nashville at that time. He does have some family in Calgary so if he did leave Washington, the Flames might have a chance.

[browna]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honestly I don’t see Tippett here due to the rumoured negative end with Maloney.

Coach Q and AV probably don’t end up here either.

Two names that were rumored last time around were Todd Reirden and Kevin Dineen so could see them.

Others would be Rocky Thompson (maybe an assistant role) or Ryan Huska.

Dineen I think would be the guy groomed to be eventually taking over Chicago.

For this team to take the next step, it needs to be a vet, as said, with recent and consistent NHL success in getting teams into the playoffs and out of a round, so that when he walks in the door and starts laying out the rules, the tactics, and pushing guys buttons, there is no doubt from the players on the guys credentials as to the methods he’s employing, work in this league.

With GG, there almost certainly is that doubt.

[rooster]

Originally Posted by DiracSpike

I want coach Q in the worst way. But for the cost it would take to get him, 4years x 6 milli, it starts to get tough for ownership to afford. That's 24 mil, basically a tenth of the cost of a new arena, so I can't blame them for not wanting to do that and those who are conducting the anti ownership bandwagon but also want Q would do well to consider that fact as well.

In the realm of reality, someone mentioned it earlier but I could happy with Dave Lowry, veteran guy with a hard side that GG clearly lacks.

If they fire Burke and King they would be well on there way to affording Quenville. No to Lowry. We need a proven NHL winner not these goddam stab in the dark hope and a prayer fools.

[FanIn80]

It just dawned on me that the problem isn't that we need a new coach. We'd have to actually have a coach first before we could need a new one. We don't need a new coach, we just need a coach.

[BigFlameDog]

Yep, fully on board the fire Gully bus

[GranteedEV]

It's gotta

1) Be Lindy Ruff or Alain Vigneault replacing Glen
2) Be a left defenseman predetermined as Brodie's partner. That is on management.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It's gotta

1) Be Lindy Ruff or Alain Vigneault replacing Glen
2) Be a left defenseman predetermined as Brodie's partner. That is on management.

I can't see it with Treliving. There was two parts as to why he fired Hartley - the way in which Hartley pushed buttons, and the other was the type of system that was employed.

Treliving wants a guy that runs a possession-type of system. Ruff's system - which I am ok with - is basically the exact same as Hartley's.

I can't see Treliving doing a complete 360 there and come full-circle back to that system. I like it, I think it is both entertaining and effective, and I think it failed Hartley both because of how limited the talent level and the goaltending was, but I think it is a good system to employ that fans enjoy watching. I just don't think that is where Treliving is going to go.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Treliving wants a guy that runs a possession-type of system. Ruff's system - which I am ok with - is basically the exact same as Hartley's.

The 2016 Stars were top 5 in the NHL in every shot-metric category. They played a system like Hartley's but had perhaps more adaptability and had the puck moving ability to execute said system that our team lacked at that time.

And I remember being mindblown with that team's power play zone entries - it was no coincidence they were also top 5 in the NHL in PP%.

They were also top 10 in PK%

All in those are contender stats. Ruff was fired the next year because their best player was injured. Now under Hitchcock the Stars have similar but worse stats to the Ruff team, better goaltending with Ben Bishop, but Gulutzan-esque results.

I can't see Treliving doing a complete 360 there and come full-circle back to that system. I like it, I think it is both entertaining and effective, and I think it failed Hartley both because of how limited the talent level and the goaltending was, but I think it is a good system to employ that fans enjoy watching. I just don't think that is where Treliving is going to go.

If Tre can't accept the need for fast, uptempo, free-flowing, tenacious hockey that has proven to work for our best players, then Tre needs to be shown the door. He made a mistake. He should own up to it and reset this team to what it needs to be. That doesn't mean throwing away puck possession. It means puck possession with a purpose.

[Erick Estrada]

If anything the Gulutzan/Eakins experiments by the Alberta clubs have proven that this advanced stats based philosophical approach is an abysmal failure as at the end of the day your head coach needs to be a leader of men not a professor of hockey theory.