[Rumour] Friedman: Treliving looking to add a 1st for 2018 draft. Coyotes won't sign Hickey.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Keane would show up and drag teams to the Cup final I think was his point. The guy had a will to win.

So you don't think the multiple Hall of Fame players on the teams he won with had anything to do with it?

Just weird that of all the great players in history, the first one to come to mind was Keane lol.

I don't think this team is a good bottom 6 grinder away from winning the cup.

[Toonage]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

So you don't think the multiple Hall of Fame players on the teams he won with had anything to do with it?

Just weird that of all the great players in history, the first one to come to mind was Keane lol.

I don't think this team is a good bottom 6 grinder away from winning the cup.

1) I'm reiterating Elliotte's point
2) He is the piece you add to an already stellar team to help take them over the top. Someone who gets other guys over the hump regardless of who they are. Friedman suggested Calgary did not have that.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

So this team is already pitifully devoid of big, physical players and you want to trade one that actually shows an ability to produce offensively as well? No thanks.

He may be inconsistent but at least he is showing he can pull together a 20 goal season and provide some physical play, create space. He's also cheap and likely will never command a large salary. If he does, then he's earned it with a huge year next year. He's also a prime candidate to excel in a slightly lesser role if BT actually goes out and lands a proper top 6 RW in the offseason. I'd take second or third line Ferland in a heartbeat over scrap heap Bennett or Brouwer.

If there was any consistency to Ferland's play, he should have been a 30 goal guy this year. Now, that's too much to ask on an ongoing basis, but given he was at 20 in January and then disappeared, that's a concern.

Put Matt Tkachuk on that top line with Monahan and Gaudreau, and you get the same idea as what you wanted out of Ferland, but better.

Could a Ferland-Backlund-Frolik line work both offensively and defensively? Sure. But I think you could still improve that. And that most likely pushes Ferland down again.

From there, it becomes easy to see why Ferland could be offered up. He's too inconsistent for the top line, and you lose too much offence by pushing him down.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Teams in the top 10 of the draft aren't going to trade their pick and its a roll of the dice that a late 1st round pick will turn into an elite player. You are essentially making the team worse going forward on the basis of hope that you can turn a late 1st round pick into a better player than Brodie or whatever player you trade to get into the first round. It's just not sound management given where the Flames are at today where they are only a few pieces away from being a really good team.

This is my concern too we could very well end up making the situation worse. In my opinion it would be better to make a coaching change see how the team responds; Then maybe look at making a trade the benefits both teams.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

So you don't think the multiple Hall of Fame players on the teams he won with had anything to do with it?

Just weird that of all the great players in history, the first one to come to mind was Keane lol.

I don't think this team is a good bottom 6 grinder away from winning the cup.

Keane is well known as a guy who simply would not accept a poor effort from a team-mate. He would DEMAND accountability for team-mates.

So he's a great example of what Elliot is talking about. Probably one of the best historic examples.

[Strange Brew]

There does seem to be a consensus that the "give a crap" meter, or "heart" quotient needs improving on the Flames.

That has to be a new phenomenon. Treliving had his reasons for hiring Gulutzan and I don't want to rehash that here, but it's undeniable that he was never considered a motivational or hard type coach. He was hired because of his smarts, his approach to systems etc. It's unfortunate really that this team seems to need a different type of coach.

For all the crap Kris Russell takes on this board, maybe the team misses a guy like that more than you'd think. I can think of a few talented players that should have an uncomfortable sit down with the GM at the end of the year.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by manwiches

Friedman on Fan960 now.

Summary
- BT has tried to add character by adding Brouwer and Hamonic. 'going from the outside', not trading anybody from roster.

This is just hilarious. Stop looking for character guys and instead look for good players.

[Geeoff]

I guess Mike Keane is held in higher regard than I thought. I just thought it was a weird mention because I think it's the first time I've heard his name since he retired.

[DomeFoam]

Yeah its funny how going after character bit him in the ass. If you go after players that can actually play hockey well and win some games for the team they might give a #### because winning is fun. Im sure it doesn't exactly inspire guys to look across the room and see Brouwer, whom your GM just invested 4.5/y in in place of someone who can actually contribute just cause of his ill perceived 'character'.

[Saqe]

One doesn't exclude the other.

You can have players that have both character and that can actually play.

[nik-]

I think I'd be most pissed if they traded Monahan.

My retro jersey has his number on it and I don't know when they'll come back

[Stanley]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I think it will be Bennett for a late 1st round pick.

I can see why Bennett would be a trade option but man, he's the only guy that appears to want to play with some frikin pride...him and Gio.

I still feel like trading Bennett would be a mistake.

[Flash Walken]

If the flames trade a core player as part of a component of getting back into the first round I think we can all safely assume there is no plan, there is no process and there is no hope for a competitive roster moving forward.

Considering I posted they would consider doing this just yesterday, I'm inclined towards there being no plan.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Honestly, I don't really think Ferland was very physical this year. I loved the Ferland against the Canucks in the playoffs. It seems like that he gave up physical play to try and score more goals.

Personally, I think he benefited from playing top line minutes which inflated his goal totals. I expect a bit more than 40sh points from someone playing on the top line with a player who is PPG+. I would way rather have playoff-beast version of Ferland who pots in 10-15 goals on the third line than the 20-goal scorer we saw this year.

Ferland-Backlund-Frolik --> I think that is the perfect 3rd line if Ferland plays physical. That can actually be the 2/3 of the 3rd line for a few more years down the road with Frolic eventually being replaced.

IIRC, Ferland’s decline started with an injury which caused him to miss a few games. I think we shouldn’t rule out the possibility that he, like Monahan, is able to play, but not at 100%.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the flames trade a core player as part of a component of getting back into the first round I think we can all safely assume there is no plan, there is no process and there is no hope for a competitive roster moving forward.

Considering I posted they would considering doing this just yesterday, I'm inclined towards there being no plan.

Unfortunately I can't see any way to argue against this thought. Pretty terrifying.

[Ryan Coke]

Id be tempted to give Tkachuk an A this year, and make it clear he is viewed as a leader, and not just a young guy anymore.

I could see him being a guy that wouldnt be afraid to make other players accountable.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Ryan Coke

Id be tempted to give Tkachuk an A this year, and make it clear he is viewed as a leader, and not just a young guy anymore.

I could see him being a guy that wouldnt be afraid to make other players accountable.

Give Tkachuk the C.

Give Giordano an A.

Give Hamonic an A.

[Looch City]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Give Tkachuk the C.

Give Giordano an A.

Give Hamonic an A.

Naw man, give Brouwer the C and both A's. He deserves it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the flames trade a core player as part of a component of getting back into the first round I think we can all safely assume there is no plan, there is no process and there is no hope for a competitive roster moving forward.

Considering I posted they would considering doing this just yesterday, I'm inclined towards there being no plan.

Yep. If something like this indeed happens it appears we are still in the thick of the dark days of this franchise spinning it's wheels. You can't make an "all-in" move for a guy like Hamonic one offseason and follow that up next summer with a rebuilding move of trading a core player to get your first round pick back. I just can't believe how fast this organization is unravelling based on this one bad season.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If the flames trade a core player as part of a component of getting back into the first round I think we can all safely assume there is no plan, there is no process and there is no hope for a competitive roster moving forward.

Considering I posted they would considering doing this just yesterday, I'm inclined towards there being no plan.

We seem to be doing a lot of backtracking moves lately both with management and coaching levels.
I guess that's pretty much the same as not having a real constructive plan. My worries we trade a core piece ended up with a first-round pick that doesn't pan out.