[PGT] They lost to the Coyotes

[Eric Vail]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Fire everyone tonight

Get a head start on next year

Pray the Flames don't win the lottery

I hope the Flames do win the lottery. It would put an exclamation point on their moves that led to this horrible season and it would take a good player out of the conference.

Flames should never have hired a coach that has not had any previous NHL success. They should have replaced him mid-season when it was clear to everyone but Treliving that it wasn't working.

They will probably hire a green coach next or get one that has been abandoned off the scrap heap. That is the Flames way. You have to do things a certain way to wind up in the bottom half of the league year after year.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Eric Vail

I hope the Flames do win the lottery. It would put an exclamation point on their moves that led to this horrible season and it would take a good player out of the conference.

Flames should never have hired a coach that has not had any previous NHL success. They should have replaced him mid-season when it was clear to everyone but Treliving that it wasn't working.

They will probably hire a green coach next or get one that has been abandoned off the scrap heap. That is the Flames way. You have to do things a certain way to wind up in the bottom half of the league year after year.

Mike Keenan, come on down.

[bubbsy]

Bennett looked fine for me. Tried creating, and had some jump.

It's funny how Jankowski gets a pass because he's a rookie, yet Bennett is 2 years younger, and had a better rookie year.

I think Bennett and Jankowski still have some growth and progression left. They aren't the biggest problems on the team.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Duffalufagus

Okay. It is this type of thinking that will forever define this team’s mediocrity (or worse). I don’t know how anyone could watch Janko’s last 50 games and think that type of play is what playoff success is made of.

That whole third line was a complete bust all year.

Disagree whole heartedly. No Janko will not be a superstar but he will be important moving forward. As will Bennett.

This is a total team failure but you don't cast away anyone under 24 IMO.

[Otto-matic]

https://twitter.com/user/status/975961263661490176

https://twitter.com/user/status/975961397296115713

Boy this was an exact replica of the 09/10 Flames. Giant trade for Bouwmeester, lots of hope and excitement going into it. They fall completely flat and miss the dance.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

I had a hunch we were going to lose this game when I heard GG's pregame interview on the Fan.

He said after the first goal last night in Vegas (that deflected in off Stone), the guys wanted to score a goal right away, but instead, GG told them to stick with the system, they still had to plenty of time left to even the score.

I can't believe he's still preaching to stick to his system the night after that 4-0 drubbing. I'm pretty sure the players have no confidence or faith in GG.

Haha, that's too funny.
But coach, I think we should focus on scoring goals.
no, no fellas, goals are for suckers, we focus on putting pucks on the net, the more the better, don't worry about scoring, aim for the goalies chest. In fact goals are bad because they don't allow for rebounds and no rebounds means less shots, and less shots is terrible for our possession numbers.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Brouwer —> bought out
Stajan —> expired contract
Gulutzan —> fired

I think that’s a significant change in the leadership group. I just wonder if it would be enough...

Why stop there?

Ken King - out
Brian Burke - out

And while we're at it ....
Murray Edwards - replaced as Chairman, Governor, etc.

If Lamoriello is out in Toronto hire him to rebuild the organization.

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[Dion]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Take a break for a night. Not funny or a constructive use of your own time.

No Thanks

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I would add Gio to the list of untouchables.

I hear you, but I don’t think the Flames can afford to make the untouchable list very long. Based on age and perhaps a change in leadership, Gio is excluded.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by pylon

I love how the stats nerds only chime in when the results fit their narrative. They have been pretty much invisible the last couple weeks.

Kinda like Oiler fans after American Thanksgiving.

That’s a BS post.

Most of the guys who post advanced stats stuff have been posting in many threads. They just stay out of the game threads because they are toxic.

Like pretty much any type of analysis or stats there will always be outliers.

14/15 Flames were an example of that. Chemistry, style, coaching, penalty differential (took fewest and drew lots) and at times pure luck (last minute comebacks) overcame the “stats”.

17/18 Flames are the other end of that spectrum. Poor coaching and leadership, piss poor special team, too many penalties, and a piss poor shooting percentage (Same team shot 1.3% higher last year or ~33 goals YoU).

IMO what’s more annoying is the fact that somehow with this fan base outshooting the other team has become a bad thing. And somehow this team magically takes shots that are worse than the other team, while the other team scores goals on “higher quality” shots from the point that bounce off two guys from the blue line then go in.

It’s a #### season. Part of it poor coaching, part of it on a lack of scoring depth on the roster, and as much as people here don’t like to admit a bit of bad luck too.

[Duffalufagus]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I would add Gio to the list of untouchables.

I would move Gio if management could get get decent return. Two reasons: one, he is the only untouchable player (save maybe dougie and monny) that could return reasonable value. Bennett and Brodie have destroyed any marketability they have. Gio could land a decent return and this team needs a culture change (scapegoating Gio here unfortunately.)

Second, as good as Gio is playing now that is still a bad long term contract. Way too much term.

[Kovaz]

Originally Posted by Dion

The team gets deflated when they face adversity. Much of that is on the coaching staff for not calling timeouts to keep the players focused on the game plan. Then there's players not being used properly at certain times.

Then there the players who panic and stray away from the game plan pushing too much and creating turnovers for the opposition teams. The mental toughness seems to be missing this year and they have appeared fragile for most of the season. Maybe it's a lack of confidence in the game plan or maybe they've become snake bitten and have fallen into the "here we go again" syndrome.

Yeah I'm just trying to explain why I think the players panic and make mistakes. The way I see it, our style of play has a few major weaknesses that make it more difficult for us to jump out ahead when we play well, so our margin for error is too tight when we're just trying to weather the storm.

[Jacks]

Had company over and missed the game, apparently I'm one of the lucky ones.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

I had a hunch we were going to lose this game when I heard GG's pregame interview on the Fan.

He said after the first goal last night in Vegas (that deflected in off Stone), the guys wanted to score a goal right away, but instead, GG told them to stick with the system, they still had to plenty of time left to even the score.

I can't believe he's still preaching to stick to his system the night after that 4-0 drubbing. I'm pretty sure the players have no confidence or faith in GG.

Did he really say that? Maybe he was worried the guys would lose focus and have a breakdown?

[Dion]

How many times have we heard the below..

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
26m
26 minutes ago

“We have to be a lot smarter. We gave them their second and third goals.” - Mark Giordano

[OldSam]

GG's post-game comments: blah, blah, powerplay got chances, blah, blah, their goalie was great, we played well, blah, blah, need to stick with the plan, blah, blah.

[Darth Tkachuk]

[Calgary4LIfe]

I am just hoping that the coaching staff gets axed tonight - Gulutzan, Cameron and Jerrard. Gelinas can take over behind the bench to wrap up the season while the management team focuses on their search.

Why?

Because for the love of God, I want to at least see some interesting Flames hockey this season. At any rate, it would be interesting to see what Gelinas does after being introduced to the coaching fraternity under a 'tough task master' in Hartley, and a 'player's coach' in Gulutzan. Maybe he picked up tips from both to be that happy medium.

I won't personally take pleasure in any of the coaching staff lose their jobs - I am sure they are all good people with family. A change has to happen between now and October.

I can stand boring hockey if they win. It is unbearable to play a boring, slow, plodding style and not win.

[zamler]

nm

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Dion

How many times have we heard the below..

Calgary Flames @NHLFlames
26m
26 minutes ago

“We have to be a lot smarter. We gave them their second and third goals.” - Mark Giordano

He’s right.