Ontario Election thread

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Like I said, its a poll, and they seem to have become singularly worthless in terms of predicting anything.


But this is really a turtle race between no options. For all we know 10 dudes will show up to vote and they'll do a write in campaign and the next Ontario Premiere will be General Zod.

Polling rant alert.

Polling is still accurate though it is less accurate than it was 20 years ago.

Basically these polls are saying the race is very close right now. This means that in a first past the post system small swings in vote percentage and distribution in vote percentage can swing the results. Based on that polling it is showing that within the margin of error of the results we could have a majority PC or a majority NDP government.

Polling in general is only unreliable if you misinterpret the results. In the last US election the polling was more accurate than the average of previous years. In the Edmonton Mayoral election it was bang on. In the Calgary election the polling average was quite good at predicting the result.

The mainstreet poll being wrong and people misinterpreting polling in the past US election does not make polling inaccurate.

[Dogbert]

Nothing should get people behind electoral reform faster than Doug Ford losing the popular vote, yet becoming premier with a majority government.

It's the CanCon version of President Trump.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Nothing should get people behind electoral reform faster than Doug Ford losing the popular vote, yet becoming premier with a majority government.

It's the CanCon version of President Trump.

In a more then three party system that's just going to happen. In the last Federal Election the Federal Liberals lost the popular vote, yet they got a massive majority. Plus I don't think in the day and age of "strategic" voting that you can reform it out.


If you want to truly reform it, have a true popular vote, no seats two parties only and everyone votes for the leader who then gets to select who sits based on the popular vote.

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

In a more then three party system that's just going to happen. In the last Federal Election the Federal Liberals lost the popular vote, yet they got a massive majority. Plus I don't think in the day and age of "strategic" voting that you can reform it out.


If you want to truly reform it, have a true popular vote, no seats two parties only and everyone votes for the leader who then gets to select who sits based on the popular vote.

The Liberals didn't lose the popular vote in 2015. It finished LPC 39, CPC 32, NDP 20.

I'm talking about an election where the NDP wins the popular vote 39-37 over the OPC, yet the Conservatives end up with a majority by virtue of where their votes were cast. I can't think of any election in Canada where a party won a majority, yet finished second in terms of actual votes cast.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

The Liberals didn't lose the popular vote in 2015. It finished LPC 39, CPC 32, NDP 20.

I'm talking about an election where the NDP wins the popular vote 39-37 over the OPC, yet the Conservatives end up with a majority by virtue of where their votes were cast. I can't think of any election in Canada where a party won a majority, yet finished second in terms of actual votes cast.

I think he just means that they didn’t get a majority of voters (39%) but ended up with a huge majority.

[CaptainCrunch]

The Liberals lost the popular vote (which I define as actual votes for the party) More people voted against the Liberals then for the Liberals. You are pretty much talking about the same thing in the Ontario election.



Liberal Justin 6,943,276 Conservative Stephen Harper 5,613,614 New Democratic Tom Mulcair 3,470,350 Bloc Québécois Gilles Duceppe 821,144

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Liberals lost the popular vote (which I define as actual votes for the party) More people voted against the Liberals then for the Liberals. You are pretty much talking about the same thing in the Ontario election.



Liberal Justin 6,943,276 Conservative Stephen Harper 5,613,614 New Democratic Tom Mulcair 3,470,350 Bloc Québécois Gilles Duceppe 821,144

That happens in every election under our system. Even then, though, the party that forms a government has the largest share of the vote, even if it isn't 50%.

I can't recall any election where the party that finished second in terms of actual votes cast was able to form a majority government without forming a coalition.

[CaptainCrunch]

Ugh this election is the worst, its making me dread the Alberta election. I mean, I'm a bit of a political junkie, but politics is an embarrassing collection of the worst, incompetent, tone deaf, stupid people.


https://www.thepostmillennial.com/nd...ve-body-image/

t looks like everyone is beginning to lose their cool in Ontario as even Catherine Fife, a seasoned NDP MPP who Andrea Horwath would surely pick for cabinet, has gotten into petty mudslinging


The representative for Kitchener—Waterloo got carried away at a recent rally, commenting “They do not trust Doug Ford as far as they can throw him, which wouldn’t be too far.”

Oh and thank god, reality slapped Wynne in the face and she conceded today.

[CaptainCrunch]

NDP say there's no way they'll form a coalition with the Liberals if they win a minority government


http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...ction-campaign

[GirlySports]

What is Kathleen Wynne doing? First her opening salvo in last week's debate and today she's conceded defeat 5 days before the election.


Is she really trying to send Liberal voters to the NDP? She should be campaigning hard to force a minority government.

[GGG]

Its definately an anti-Ford move. And something that she should really be commended for I'd you wanted the left of center vision for Ontario.

Fords populism really wouldn't be good for Ontario either

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by GGG

Its definately an anti-Ford move. And something that she should really be commended for I'd you wanted the left of center vision for Ontario.

Fords populism really wouldn't be good for Ontario either

I guess but now her Liberal candidates are screwed.

They need 8 seats for official status. That's gone.


Should always campaigned hard for your values. You never know on election day. Why hand the election to an NDP majority?

[CaptainCrunch]

She's trying to separate the Liberal voters from the party. Wynne herself is toxic, so she's saying its ok to vote Liberal to limit the other party because she's not going to be around.


Its appealing to the strategic voter, and as one reporter queried "Is this about trying to hold onto official party status"

[GirlySports]

hmm i don't know, could go either way, i think it goes the vote NDP to stop Ford way

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by GGG

Its definately an anti-Ford move. And something that she should really be commended for I'd you wanted the left of center vision for Ontario.

Fords populism really wouldn't be good for Ontario either

You know what would be the worst for Ontario?

If they dug the western world leading per capita debt even deeper.

Good

[Dogbert]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

You know what would be the worst for Ontario?

If they dug the western world leading per capita debt even deeper.

Good

Gotta elect the PCs, then. After all, they're the party of fiscal responsibility.

Oh, wait...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Gotta elect the PCs, then. After all, they're the party of fiscal responsibility.

Oh, wait...

Quite frankly, Ontario is screwed.

There is no 'Party of Fiscal Responsibility.'

PCs, Liberals, NDP....they might as well elect the Rhino party

Ontario is awash in an ocean of idiots all promising more than the next guy.

[CaptainCrunch]

Are we seeing a change in politics where actual smart competent people with judgement have been driven away from public service and we're seeing society's biggest idiots going after a paycheck.


The floaty ball thing says "Sure looks like it"

[Locke]

And thus begins the rapid slide into political hell.

[direwolf]

Can't believe a jackass like Ford might actually win this. Ontario has lost their collective minds.