Does Giordano get suspended for the hit on Aho? Update:No hearing scheduled - Per NHL

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Corral

Well hopefully none of you 'blame the victim' folks administer our justice system.

So in your world Gio’s only option there is to stick check someone racing to the net. No ones blaming the victim, this is pure and simple cause and effect.

[rotten42]

Originally Posted by Corral

Well hopefully none of you 'blame the victim' folks administer our justice system.

You need to stop watching hockey and watch a game more in tune with your sensibilities....maybe darts.

[Robbob]

Haven't really been paying much attention, but considering it was an afternoon game you would think any comment that the DoPS, if they were to review, would have already mentioned it. Has there been anything and I just missed it?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by Corral

Well hopefully none of you 'blame the victim' folks administer our justice system.

whoa, whoa

"Blame the Victim"?!

Seriously? WTF dude - you are conflating two completely different things here, and frankly that's pretty disgusting to suggest those of us that see an incident on the ice where it is a split second incident, to suggest we would somehow think rape victims somehow 'deserved' it...

Give you head a shake...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Corral

Well hopefully none of you 'blame the victim' folks administer our justice system.

I suggest you brush up on your definition of 'Victim.'

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Corral

Well hopefully none of you 'blame the victim' folks administer our justice system.

Blame the victim?

The ONLY reason you could call him a victim here is because he made himself one.

So yeah, I have no problem blaming him for what he did to create his injuries...no problem what so ever. He was stupid to be admiring his ability by watching the puck instead of what he was skating into. There has to be some responsibility placed on players to protect themselves to at least some degree. He did none of that.

I hope he isn't hurt badly and certainly hope he doesn't miss time for the Canes, but if he does, it was entirely of his own doing.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Blame the victim?

The ONLY reason you could call him a victim here is because he made himself one.

So yeah, I have no problem blaming him for what he did to create his injuries...no problem what so ever. He was stupid to be admiring his ability by watching the puck instead of what he was skating into. There has to be some responsibility placed on players to protect themselves to at least some degree. He did none of that.

I hope he isn't hurt badly and certainly hope he doesn't miss time for the Canes, but if he does, it was entirely of his own doing.

Entirely of his own doing? Not even Gio would agree with that.

Anyways - I've made my point and you've reinforced it. We will see what the NHL decides. Moving on now ...

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Wild GM

I think he'll get one game and I don't have a problem with it. I don't think there was any intent, but I think in order for the sport to take concussions and head shots as seriously as it needs to be - you will see, from time to time, someone get a game or two even when it was perhaps more the fault of the "hittee" for putting themselves in a vulnerable position.

Pretty much this. The risk of seeming unconcerned about concussions in the sport is much greater than any misplaced suspension to a player for the sake of "justice."

The league has to maintain its zero-tolerance to hitting players in the head no matter whether it was intentional, avoidable, or the fault of the player who was hit. Every now and again it will lead to someone getting unjustly suspended but from the league's perspective (and from the perspective of those like myself who are greatly concerned about the health impacts of concussions) the trade-off is worth it. Players simply can't feel that any contact to the head will be forgiven because the league can't afford from a medical, legal and commercial perspective to see its players put at that type of risk.

So yes, if Giordano is suspended, it will come down from a broader strategy of the league and not necessarily to single Giordano out. Fans will undoubtedly reserve their right to hysteria.

[CroFlames]

If Gio attempts a stick check, he would have been undressed by Aho who was close to pulling off the deke.

Gio did the right thing and executed it properly. Aho had his head down, his fault.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Corral

Well hopefully none of you 'blame the victim' folks administer our justice system.

Sure. Like if someone is texting while driving and blows through a stop sign and gets t-boned by the guy that has the right of way. That kind of victim.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

...Let's compare that to rule 48.1:

The main point of contact is the chest. Arm and elbow to mid-lower ribcage...

I have watched a dozen replays of this hit now about a dozen times, and I am not sure how so many of you are so certain about the "main point of contact" in the chest/sternum area. I can agree that this is a distinct possibility, but have yet to see anything where this is conclusive. To my eye Aho's head could very well have been the first point of contact with Giordano's shoulder. I think at best the hit to chest and head are basically simultaneous.

I have no problem identifying this as a head hit because, well, Giordano's shoulder plowed into Aho's head. I also have no problem seeing this as unintentional contact with the head, and a very unfortunate accident that was probably unavoidable in the timeframe the event took place.

But these sorts of incidentals ought not deter the League from prioritizing the seriousness of blows to the head in the game. The right thing to do is to err on the side of caution, which means that in situations like this where there are ambiguities the League should and must always side with the injured party. I understand why Giordano will probably receive a suspension for this hit—even though he bears no culpability for malicious intent in his check, he is responsible as the delivering agent.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I have watched a dozen replays of this hit now about a dozen times, and I am not sure how so many of you are so certain about the "main point of contact" in the chest/sternum area. I can agree that this is a distinct possibility, but have yet to see anything where this is conclusive. To my eye Aho's head could very well have been the first point of contact with Giordano's shoulder. I think at best the hit to chest and head are basically simultaneous.

I have no problem identifying this as a head hit because, well, Giordano's shoulder plowed into Aho's head. I also have no problem seeing this as unintentional contact with the head, and a very unfortunate accident that was probably unavoidable in the timeframe the event took place.

But these sorts of incidentals ought not deter the League from prioritizing the seriousness of blows to the head in the game. The right thing to do is to err on the side of caution, which means that in situations like this where there are ambiguities the League should and must always side with the injured party. I understand why Giordano will probably receive a suspension for this hit—even though he bears no culpability for malicious intent in his check, he is responsible as the delivering agent.

If you want to criticize Gio for any hits to the head it would have to be to Williams during the fight after the hit.

Those were far more dangerous.

[oldschoolcalgary]

Peters on Giordano hit on Aho: "Obviously, there's some head contact. I don't know there was much intent, to be honest with you. I thought (Giordano's) arm was tucked in low. But it ended up catching him in the head, so unfortunate."

so, outside of not hitting Aho, who was coming into the slot for a grade A scoring chance, i am not sure what more people expected...

Even Aho's coach says as much.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Pretty much this. The risk of seeming unconcerned about concussions in the sport is much greater than any misplaced suspension to a player for the sake of "justice."

The league has to maintain its zero-tolerance to hitting players in the head no matter whether it was intentional, avoidable, or the fault of the player who was hit. Every now and again it will lead to someone getting unjustly suspended but from the league's perspective (and from the perspective of those like myself who are greatly concerned about the health impacts of concussions) the trade-off is worth it. Players simply can't feel that any contact to the head will be forgiven because the league can't afford from a medical, legal and commercial perspective to see its players put at that type of risk.

So yes, if Giordano is suspended, it will come down from a broader strategy of the league and not necessarily to single Giordano out. Fans will undoubtedly reserve their right to hysteria.

Why do you always try to poke the bear?

You both make a valid point of which I tend to agree with. Why bother with that last sentence? Was it just to get a rise out of others?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by jonkaupp

Can’t stand this ‘need to eliminate head shots from the game’ crap. You’re never gonna be able to eliminate incidental head contact unless you completely remove hitting, period. The focus should be eliminating head hunting, late hits, and blindside hits...

Of course, the bolded part is true, but the action taken to eliminate "headhunting" will necessarily need to take EVERY head shot very seriously. Moreover, the while the goal of eliminating head injuries is almost certainly unattainable, it is absolutely the right recourse to attempt to reduce them. This is all part of the reduction process, which does seem to be working.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by kevman

Why do you always try to poke the bear?

You both make a valid point of which I tend to agree with. Why bother with that last sentence? Was it just to get a rise out of others?

Hi kevman, have you met Tinordi?

Tinordi? kevman.

kevman? Tinordi.

Now you've met. You'll get used to it, its what he does.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Locke

If you want to criticize Gio for any hits to the head it would have to be to Williams during the fight after the hit.

Those were far more dangerous.

Of course they were. I never suggested anything different, and one action does not somehow justify or reduce the seriousness of the other. The League is not perfect. The game is not perfect, so we must live with the unfortunate consequences of these issues which are very difficult to resolve.

*EDIT* And again, where did I ever "criticize" Giordano. I thought I was pretty clear in stating that I consider this to be a fairly unavoidable accident.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Of course they were. I never suggested anything different, and one action does not somehow justify or reduce the seriousness of the other. The League is not perfect. The game is not perfect, so we must live with the unfortunate consequences of these issues which are very difficult to resolve.

I agree, but I just hate the idea of taking this kind of hit out of the game, that was a perfect hit. He separated man from puck in a dangerous area as allowed as per the rules of the game.

I dislike the idea that he was punished and will be summarily punished again due to some political agenda.

[kevman]

Originally Posted by Locke

Hi kevman, have you met Tinordi?

Tinordi? kevman.

kevman? Tinordi.

Now you've met. You'll get used to it, its what he does.

Haha. I know that's what he does. I just don't know why. It's a good post. It's accurate to how I feel it'll both be called and how it should be called. I just don't understand why he needs to finish by saying if you disagree you're welcome to hysteria. Or in other words, if you disagree you're welcome to "exaggerated or uncontrollable emotion" on the issue. It's simply his way of talking down to those that don't agree with him. Again.

[Kjesse]

Has a hearing date been set? I wouldn't be surprised if there is no hearing at all.