[Rumour] Incoming Flames shake up

[dino7c]

Team isn't losing because of Brouwer and Stajan though...their top two forwards haven't scored in 10+ games. Don't trade JG though...find someone that can help him drive offence.

[Sutter_in_law]

Jesus, the Treliving hate is getting old. He's the best GM this team has ever had IMO. He's made a couple of bone-headed moves (like all GM's) but has put a very solid team together - I fear to think where we would be had we signed Benning instead of Treliving (full disclosure: I wanted Burke to bring in Benning at the time )

The GG hate I understand a little bit more, but I don't see who the better options are? Lots of people saying Sutter but I really don't think he's the answer (and I am a huge Sutter fan, hence my username) I think GG will be given the year to sort it out, if anything Cameron gets canned and I think that would be deservedly so.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Team isn't losing because of Brouwer and Stajan though...their top two forwards haven't scored in 10+ games. Don't trade JG though...find someone that can help him drive offence.

For the most part, maybe, but Brouwer and Stajan sure cannot win a team games anymore.

Often times, when they make mistakes (like taking a bad penalty, or having a terrible, negative momentum turning shift) they can't make up for it because they're way too far past their prime and are not good enough anymore.

The NHL game has passed Stajan by and it's rapidly passing Brouwer by too.

[Rejean31]

Originally Posted by Beninho

One of the defensmen need to go, the defense is not good enough to be this team strength and the offense has not been there from any of the Dmen on a consistent basis. The picks for Hamonic should've been used for offense but he does make Brodie or Hamilton expendable. Tough decisions ahead but one thing that's for sure is somethings gotta change asap if they are gonna make the playoffs.

But that is as a result of a stupid system that doesn't utilize offensive defensemen properly. How often do you see the Flames defencemen jumping up into the play to create offence? They used to all the time in Hartley's system. Gulutzan's stupid system, whatever the hell it is, has completely neutered Calgary's offensive defencemen. He is the wrong coach for this team. How long before Brad realizes this??

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Jesus, the Treliving hate is getting old. He's the best GM this team has ever had IMO. He's made a couple of bone-headed moves (like all GM's) but has put a very solid team together - I fear to think where we would be had we signed Benning instead of Treliving (full disclosure: I wanted Burke to bring in Benning at the time )

The GG hate I understand a little bit more, but I don't see who the better options are? Lots of people saying Sutter but I really don't think he's the answer (and I am a huge Sutter fan, hence my username) I think GG will be given the year to sort it out, if anything Cameron gets canned and I think that would be deservedly so.

I love Treliving, but have to admit that this season so far has shaken my faith in him a little bit.

To deal away our 1st and 2nd round picks means he may have either badly misjudged the roster or badly misjudged the coach and that's a little frightening to me.

I had no problem with the Hamonic trade at the time, but I'm a fan who tends to lean towards the "rose colored glasses" side of things and misjudge this team optimistically far too often. For the GM to do it concerns me a tad.

[Johnny Makarov]

Brodie for Phaneuf
Sign Iggy for $1mil
Shankapotamus for Cammalleri
Monahan for Bouwmeester
Dig up the corpse of Leland Irving

Sutter(Brent) in for Gulutzan.

Party like it's 2009! We won't make the playoffs but we'll be in the hunt until the final 2 weeks of the season.

[Savvy27]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

PSA.

You don't trade young offensive defensemen for wingers.

Stop daydreaming.

I think that works fine as a general rule but it depends on the circumstances. Brodie isn't really that young. The team would take a bit of a bit right now in downgrading from Brodie to Andersson, but you've just got to weigh that against the improvement that would come from adding the speed and scoring of a guy like Hoffman to the top 6. The Flames are one of the lowest scoring teams in the league and could use the boost of a 25 goal guy.

Also the mention of Brodie's youth is a bit odd considering the Flames have Andersson, Kylington, Fox and Valimaki in the pipeline. And then there is Hamilton who is younger and better offensively.

I agree that you should build from the net out but once you have that foundation it makes sense to shore up deficiencies by trading from strength. I like the Flames top 3 C's so while the preference would be to trade a D for C, the availability and cost of bringing in a young center to displace one they have would change the calculation.

[Locke]

I wonder what made them decide that the time is now and not weeks ago and why they'd come out and say 'something is coming' instead of just doing it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Jesus, the Treliving hate is getting old. He's the best GM this team has ever had IMO. He's made a couple of bone-headed moves (like all GM's) but has put a very solid team together - I fear to think where we would be had we signed Benning instead of Treliving (full disclosure: I wanted Burke to bring in Benning at the time )

The GG hate I understand a little bit more, but I don't see who the better options are? Lots of people saying Sutter but I really don't think he's the answer (and I am a huge Sutter fan, hence my username) I think GG will be given the year to sort it out, if anything Cameron gets canned and I think that would be deservedly so.

Come on man that's just an insult to Cliff Fletcher.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Bergevin is putting pacioretty on the table but wants a young scoring forward in return. Can’t see a fit and Haven’t heard Rumors of us scouting each other. Only remote possibility (stress remote) I can see is Backlund in exchange for Plekanec (money retained) and a pick if we determine that we aren’t going to pay Backlund what he will make in free agency and we don’t lose him for zip. Plekanec bridges the gap until next season when Bennett moves back to C.

Habs fans have been wanting to fire Plekanec into the sun a while now much the same way we're wanting to the do the same with Brouwer...

[Trailer Fire]

I’ve been trying to remain neutral towards GG for the last month, and it’s been kinda hard. He has made choices that I simply cannot fathom. However, I don’t think it is entirely his fault. Yes, he is supposed to be a motivator and planner, but when you see Johnny giving the puck away time and time again, is that really GGs fault? When you see Ferland skating around with not a care in the world, is that really GGs fault?

In my eyes, this team isn’t broken, but it’s faltering from the top down and the bottom up. Everyone is culpable and something needs to be done.

I hate to finally admit it, but Glen has to go. He isn’t getting enough out of the players and his brand of hockey to date has been uninspired. We have seen flashes of brilliance in previous games, and I hoped that was the system GG was trying to implement, but those moments are too far and in between. The special teams, especially the power play, are borderline pathetic. Cameron should be axed immediately. In all honesty he should be the first to go. Bring in someone that can actually run a decent special team system. The could give GG a short grace period to prove he isn’t no good.

As far as the roster is concerned, somethings gotta give. We need someone to play RW with Johnny and Sean. Someone who can elevate 13 and 23 and be more than an occasional bull headed triggerman. The defence has to tighten up in their own end and engage more in the other. Brodie should move to the right side with Gio, then see who can play left side between Hamilton and Hamonic. The 4th line needs some major rejuvenation. I like Lazar for his hustle, but the rest of his game leaves a lot to be desired. Stajan is all heart, but I think his time has come. Send him down to let him keep playing, but it’s time to move on. Brouwer simply needs to go. Anywhere. Bring up Mangiapane and Klimchuk to potentially give us two third lines.

I’m at a loss with this team. They have a lot of potential, but it is being squandered left, right, and centre.

[killer_carlson]

After sleeping on it my thoughts are that if Brouwer survives this shakeup and is still in the lineup, we've had it.

The team wants to roll 4 lines. Aside from momentary flashes he is not capable of taking a regular shift and contributing. Not even points - physical play, possession, etc.

And his $4.5 million could be much better spent upgrading the top of the roster.

[Erick Estrada]

IMO this is simply a precursor to the coach getting fired. Trying anything in hopes of turning things around before having to make the inevitable move of changing up the guy behind the bench if all else fails. I can't see any big trades coming unless the team is seriously desperate and shortsighted enough to start including 2019 picks or top prospect in the organization. I get that Treliving wants his guy to succeed but you can't put your friendship ahead of what's best long term for the organization. If this roster can't get it done with his hand picked coach he's going to have to accept his mistakes and start focussing on a fresh start next season with a new coaching staff.

[flambers]

In my view, the Flames absolutely need more offense

Not sure the Flames management have the assets or will take the risk to make a move,

AHL moves will create energy but will not solve the scoring issues.....

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Sutter_in_law

Jesus, the Treliving hate is getting old. He's the best GM this team has ever had IMO. He's made a couple of bone-headed moves (like all GM's) but has put a very solid team together - I fear to think where we would be had we signed Benning instead of Treliving (full disclosure: I wanted Burke to bring in Benning at the time )

The GG hate I understand a little bit more, but I don't see who the better options are? Lots of people saying Sutter but I really don't think he's the answer (and I am a huge Sutter fan, hence my username) I think GG will be given the year to sort it out, if anything Cameron gets canned and I think that would be deservedly so.

Cliff Fletcher brought us a contender for 5-7 years and a Stanley Cup.

Treliving hasn't even brought us a consistent playoff contender, let alone a cup contender.

Massive overstatement.

[Wolfman]

How does a guy like Brouwer, a consistent 20 goal scorer and decent playoff perfomer hit a wall when he gets to Calgary? Just had a playoff run with St. Louis and was the most dominant guy out there. I guess when the majority of guys hit there early 30's the decline starts.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by flambers

In my view, the Flames absolutely need more offense

Not sure the Flames management have the assets or will take the risk to make a move,

AHL moves will create energy but will not solve the scoring issues.....

I think we need the energy to Kickstart some momentum up the lineup.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by flambers

In my view, the Flames absolutely need more offense

Not sure the Flames management have the assets or will take the risk to make a move,

AHL moves will create energy but will not solve the scoring issues.....

Yeah I'm happy they are willing to make a minor shake up but I don't know if this will solve their issues. I feel Monahan and Gaudreau are getting chances and it's just a matter of a few going in for them to get back on track.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

How does a guy like Brouwer, a consistent 20 goal scorer and decent playoff perfomer hit a wall when he gets to Calgary? Just had a playoff run with St. Louis and was the most dominant guy out there. I guess when the majority of guys hit there early 30's the decline starts.

Because the game seems to be passing him by. Why? Maybe age I don't know.

Yeah, he's only 32, but some guys just go downhill sooner than others. Scott Gomez is a good example of this. He basically stopped being an NHL calibre player in 2011 at age 32, even though he hung on in the NHL for a few more years and didn't retire until 2016.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Cliff Fletcher brought us a contender for 5-7 years and a Stanley Cup.

Treliving hasn't even brought us a consistent playoff contender, let alone a cup contender.

Massive overstatement.

His first year they missed the playoffs. Not sure that's his fault he had just showed up. His second season they made the playoffs.