[PGT] Flames 1 - Wild 2 (SO)

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why is a S/O win better than a tie? This incessant need to see a winner in every game is weird.

Because ties are for chumps. Feels too much like a soccer result and soccer sucks. It sucks to be on the losing end of this one but I like a clear winner/loser.

[McG]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

But the power play looked super dangerous and just couldn't convert. It's not like the wild were looking to kill more penalties out there because the flames power play sucked. Did they take any liberties after the goalie interference penalty?

So philosophically, if we had a crazy good power play, teams wouldn’t adjust their style of play to avoid goals against?

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Inferno

No, it's even worse because they have it in the medal round. It'll be a really sad day if the NHL ever decides to use it in the playoffs.

And they allow repeat shooters (after the first allotment), turning it somehow into even more of an individualistic game.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Because ties are for chumps. Feels too much like a soccer result and soccer sucks. It sucks to be on the losing end of this one but I like a clear winner/loser.

That's funny, because shootouts are one of the worst things in soccer.

[heep223]

I don’t mind the shootout, but continuous 3v3 OT would be awesome.

[SebC]

I'm even starting to sour on 3-on-3. Chances are of such high quality that it feels a bit like what I imagine sudden-death overtime in basketball would.

[dino7c]

SN1 says "Flames Win SO 2-1"

some pour souls out there are in for some disappointment in the morning

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by McG

So philosophically, if we had a crazy good power play, teams wouldn’t adjust their style of play to avoid goals against?

If the flames had a crazy good power play other teams would prepare for it I guess?

I'm saying, the flames may have come away empty on their PP chances but it's not like they didn't look threatening to the point of the Wild being willing to take more penalties to gain an advantage.

The flames lacked finish, not pressure, possession or control of the tempo.

That first period was one of the best road periods of the season for calgary.

[joejoe3]

How come Dave Cameron isn't taking any heat on this... PP and PK is his area no?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by joejoe3

How come Dave Cameron isn't taking any heat on this... PP and PK is his area no?

PK was perfect

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Our special teams are so weird.

- How is it not obvious that Brodie struggles as the lone point man? He's just not fluid offensively, holds the puck too long and doesn't have a shot that needs to be respected. On the last power play in the third period he held the puck too long, the wild defender closed in, so rather than pass the puck Brodie decided to try and outskate him to create space. Pointlessly risky play, but just reflective of his discomfort out there.

- Having Brodie as lone point man lets the other team's PK to more easily collapse down and clog the lanes. That hurts Gaudreau especially and removes the cross-ice pass from his options. I can't remember the last time he tried such a play on the PP.

- They need the second point man closer to the blue line in order to force another of the penalty killers to make a choice to close the man on the blue line or clog the lane down low. Right now that penalty killer doesn't need to do anything other than collapse and clog the lane since our second point man is down low near the faceoff circle.

- I didn't think jankowski was the obvious problem on the PP unit. But if you're going to replace him with brouwer, don't make it at the expense of moving Monahan out of his office. In the PP in the third, Monahan was by the outside hash marks rather than in front of the net because of Brouwer. Monahan should not be out there trying to set up the play.

- Our PK gives up the cross ice pass from hash mark to hash mark too easily. Way too easily.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by simonsays

I just don't understand why I hear the name Brouwer when we're on the PP. It does not make sense. Hamilton and Gio can pretend to be forwards in the 1-3-1 better than Brouwer can pretend to be a d-man. They both have better puck skills and better shots. And better play reading, and reaction times...

I'd prefer to see Stone on the 2nd unit for his shot most of the time anyways. I don't even think that we really need to add scoring, we just need to let the backend know when it's ok to go full Hartley. Those defense rushes really make the defenders think twice.

I'm not sure what you mean. Brouwer isn't ever on the pp as a point man or for his shooting. He's there to screen and taking a defenceman out of the play.

I agree with those who say Brodie takes far too much time to make a play or shoot. They need to move the puck more quickly to create quick shots from a better position. And they need way more shot attempts from the mid slot, or from the hash marks.

Babcock' power play relies on a a lot of shots from mid range and overloading the side of the ice that the shot comes from, then hoping for rebounds or tips. He doesn't no go for the point shot, though I fairness, he hasn't usually had the shooters to do so. He likes 1 defenceman, and overloading down low.

[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why is a S/O win better than a tie? This incessant need to see a winner in every game is weird.

I usually like your comments ...but I had to log in for the this one.

Yes, a SO is infinitely better than a tie. It's a GAME. The entire reoson for playing is to decide a winner and a loser. It's not a life or death situation. It's a GAME.

I would prefer a regulation/OT result any day of the week ....but I'll also accept a SO result.

This isn't elementary school where we hand out participation ribbons.

Enjoy the game. Pick a winner and a loser. Prepare for the next one. Rinse and repeat.

Why the incessant need to reward grown men for a 'good effort'.

[nemanja2306]

Shootout or not, this team still cannot get it done in regulation.
As one poster said the other day, forgot who it was, the league is becoming more about special teams. More often than not, they are the difference between a W and a L.

How the brainiacs behind the bench can't see that our PP isn't working and that they need to make some changes, is infuriating really. Put some new guys on the PP (ie Stone), change the PP formation, change the PP entry...but do something!

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[bubbsy]

I'm fine with the game last night. Worked hard, decent road game.

The special teams are pretty ugly. First, I realize the pk did not give up a goal but that's more on the opposition pp than it was on our pk. It's too easy for teams to get set up, and the pk is incapable of applying puck pressure, getting into passing lanes, etc. Stajan is a brutal hockey player, and simply not fast enough to be effective on the pk.

The pp, well it's nice to try different personnel a bit but the entire set up of that top unit is played out and not working. Even if they do get set up, the puck spends 80% of the time with Brodie at the point or with Gaudreau, essentially at the left point. They pose literally 0% to score there, as Brodie is scared to shoot, and Gaudreau also does not have a shot nor in a great shooting position.

Get Brodie off the top unit already. Put Giordano and Hamilton there, where the pk needs to respect the shot from the point. Keep Gaudreau as the play maker but lower on the half boards looking for one time options.

Watching Brodie and Gaudreau pass the puck amongst themselves is getting tiring to watch, it's not working. The cliché of getting pucks to the net when a pp is struggling requires changing the guys at the point, primarily Brodie.

Brodie doesn't have the hockey sense to realize when it's a good time to shoot when it's 5 on 5, let alone with the man advantage.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Lanny McDonald sucks.

Ahem. You and I have a problem now.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by erick estrada

better yet the idiots calling for those posts.

Originally Posted by erick estrada

why antagonize? Grow up!

lol

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Whatever happened to Flames Draft Watcher? He used to be an every day contributor and has not been around for a while. Was a solid poster, hope he is ok.

He attacked me when I said the Flames should sign Niemi and demote Lack because they had no confidence in him. He strongly suggested I stopped posting because I know nothing about hockey, so I reciprocated and suggested he stop posting because he was kind of being a jerk and it looks like he did.

Niemi is the NHL and Lack isn't so...

[DoubleK]

I wish they'd go to 10 mins of 3 on 3.

Shootouts suck so much.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

I'm fine with the game last night. Worked hard, decent road game.

The special teams are pretty ugly. First, I realize the pk did not give up a goal but that's more on the opposition pp than it was on our pk. It's too easy for teams to get set up, and the pk is incapable of applying puck pressure, getting into passing lanes, etc. Stajan is a brutal hockey player, and simply not fast enough to be effective on the pk.

The pp, well it's nice to try different personnel a bit but the entire set up of that top unit is played out and not working. Even if they do get set up, the puck spends 80% of the time with Brodie at the point or with Gaudreau, essentially at the left point. They pose literally 0% to score there, as Brodie is scared to shoot, and Gaudreau also does not have a shot nor in a great shooting position.

Get Brodie off the top unit already. Put Giordano and Hamilton there, where the pk needs to respect the shot from the point. Keep Gaudreau as the play maker but lower on the half boards looking for one time options.

Watching Brodie and Gaudreau pass the puck amongst themselves is getting tiring to watch, it's not working. The cliché of getting pucks to the net when a pp is struggling requires changing the guys at the point, primarily Brodie.

Brodie doesn't have the hockey sense to realize when it's a good time to shoot when it's 5 on 5, let alone with the man advantage.

They used Jankowski on at least one PK, so that's a start (mind you it was when Brouwer was in the box, so I'm not sure if it's permanent). I like the idea - long reach, decent speed, good size, can be good on faceoffs.

I agree on the PP. Way too much time is spent handling the puck and not enough shooting it. I said last night I agree with GG on the usefulness of point shots, but they aren't putting a lot of closer shots on net either. They aren't making a lot of passes into the slot or across the ice to an open guy - it's around the horn most of the time. That's not effective.

I don't think Versteeg is the answer because he does the same thing as Brodie takes too much time to decide what to do (and the defenders adjust easily). I don't mind Jankowski on the top unit but he clearly needs more time to get used to it. And I'm not sure that the Versteeg spot is the best use of his reach and hands.

Strange as it might sound I think Monahan and Ferland need more touches, because they will either pass quickly or shoot.

I actually don't think Brouwer on or off the PP is an issue for what ails it. I can see why people don't want him, and why a few do - he's the best screener the team has (unless Jankowski is up to that challenge).