2017-2018 Blue Jays Off-Season Thread

[transplant99]

St. Louis and Toronto has discussed a Donaldson deal
and
CC Sabathia has had discussions with the Jays

One or the other. Doing both is just wasting everyones time. Pick a direction and go with it already.

[browna]

Yeah, pretty clear that Aitkins and Shaprio are going to define themselves with the next few days. That said, they came in here thanks to whoever was in charge at Rogers at the time, looking to get away from AA and the baseball decisions he was making (and driving up payroll). With Rogers and their spinning door of Blue Jays caretakers, and themselves wanting out of the Jays altogether, I get less warm and fuzzies from my already skeptical opinion of Shapiro and Aitken.

If they're trying to keep the hopes up (and thus ticket prices, advertiser dollars) etc while they sell the team, to keep it looking more viable then it is, they'll sit on Donaldson for the time being (and call it a win) and sign a guy like CC as well as some other established name to give the appearances of relevance.

In truth, as much as it hurts and signals that the 4 year+ rebuild is on, they should be asking the moon for Donaldson to a desperate Cards team who are looking to keep up in the arms race after getting rejected a few times this year from of course Stanton, Ohtani and others.

Donaldson could have an even better year and drive up the price some more, but more downside risk and the Cards need to do something this offseason for their own hubris. So they should take them to the cleaners with a couple guys that can play this year, a couple decent projects, and even cash...and not bother with CC.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by transplant99

One or the other. Doing both is just wasting everyones time.

Why? Here are the facts...

1: The Jays will be playing the upcoming season
2: Unless they use an unorthodox rotation they need a guy able to take the ball every 5 days

So if they trade Donaldson and start a rebuild/retool/whatever you want to call it they need a pitcher to push back the service clock on a younger pitcher so his pre-arb years will align better. If they don't... they need a pitcher of a more known quality them a rookie for that last kick at the can.

Either way they need a starting pitcher. May as well be CC... he won't insist on a long term deal nor will he break the bank. Perfect guy for their #5 spot IMO.

[CaramonLS]

It's so weird to think that Sabathia has a legitimate shot of going to the Hall of Fame. He is currently at 237 wins and just have 2 sub-4 ERA seasons.

He probably isn't making it to 300, unless he goes full Jamie Moyer, but he should get 250+ before it is all over.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

... and just have 2 sub-4 ERA seasons.

.

I don't think that's true is it?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by looooob

I don't think that's true is it?

Yeah...i just counted 10 of them or i am misunderstanding what was meant.

[TheAlpineOracle]

Shapiro just said they would have reset last year if it wasn’t for the “fans”. What a load of thrash. You didnt’t reset because Rogers instructed you to Keep the cash cow going. If management knew they should have reset a year ago, they shouldn’t have been listening to the “fans”. Sure is counterintuitive to the BS he was slinging last year when they were shouting they were ready to compete again....

FML. Why do I continue to invest emotionally into this sad sack team.


FML

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Shapiro just said they would have reset last year if it wasn’t for the “fans”. What a load of thrash. You didnt’t reset because Rogers instructed you to Keep the cash cow going. If management knew they should have reset a year ago, they shouldn’t have been listening to the “fans”. Sure is counterintuitive to the BS he was slinging last year when they were shouting they were ready to compete again....

FML. Why do I continue to invest emotionally into this sad sack team.


FML

Could be worse...you could be a Marlins fan.

I get why they traded that Stanton contract but not really sure why they traded Ozuna who isn't a free agent until 2020.

Must have been a great offer from the Cardinals.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yeah...i just counted 10 of them or i am misunderstanding what was meant.

I meant 2 sub 4 ERA seasons in the last 2 seasons. Accidentally forgot that part.

[The Big Chill]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Shapiro just said they would have reset last year if it wasn’t for the “fans”. What a load of thrash. You didnt’t reset because Rogers instructed you to Keep the cash cow going. If management knew they should have reset a year ago, they shouldn’t have been listening to the “fans”. Sure is counterintuitive to the BS he was slinging last year when they were shouting they were ready to compete again....

FML. Why do I continue to invest emotionally into this sad sack team.


FML

Did he really say that? What a load of crap. That pisses me off if true.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

Did he really say that? What a load of crap. That pisses me off if true.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb...-ago-not-fans/

[TheAlpineOracle]

Originally Posted by The Big Chill

Did he really say that? What a load of crap. That pisses me off if true.

Sure did.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb...-ago-not-fans/

[browna]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Could be worse...you could be a Marlins fan.

I get why they traded that Stanton contract but not really sure why they traded Ozuna who isn't a free agent until 2020.

Must have been a great offer from the Cardinals.

Nah, owners just liquidating to get thieir money back. Jeter gets to be the face of the team (and not go to Winter meetings) to put a credible face in this screw job. And knows that the agents are looking to get their decent clients out of there ASAP.
A couple years I am guessing you see Jeter “sell”his portion and then go to work for the Yanks or Cards now that he has experience.

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

Sure did.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb...-ago-not-fans/

Yeah, that’s pretty much what I’d considered Shapiro to be and to say ever since he got announced a few years back. Right up Rogers alley as some slimy salesman and budget cutter, who then tries to claim his methods were heroic and selfless last year in keeping the team in tact the way he did, and that the damn support of us Canadian rubes foiled his master plan. Which is why they kept JB but wanted nothing to do with a useful EE.

[TheAlpineOracle]

I went to a game at Marlins Park (inaugural season against the Dodgers). Probably only the 15th game ever played there and it was absolutely empty. You could hear a pin drop. My wife, who knows nothing about sports and doesn’t care about business, looked at me and asked how this team exists and how can they get such an amazing stadium. I didnt have an answer to that then, and I still don’t to this day.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

I went to a game at Marlins Park (inaugural season against the Dodgers). Probably only the 15th game ever played there and it was absolutely empty. You could hear a pin drop. My wife, who knows nothing about sports and doesn’t care about business, looked at me and asked how this team exists and how can they get such an amazing stadium. I didnt have an answer to that then, and I still don’t to this day.

taxpayers

[calculoso]

Wow... buyer beware?

@JeffPassan: News: Los Angeles Angels star Shohei Ohtani has a damaged ulnar collateral ligament in his pitching elbow, according to a physical obtained by Yahoo Sports. Details: https://yhoo.it/2C9PDCe

[bluejays]

lol...Vernon Wells contract again!

[TheAlpineOracle]

How does that not get picked on his physical?

[jayswin]

Wow, I wonder what NEB thinks of this, he was so pumped.

[RatherDashing]

Originally Posted by TheAlpineOracle

How does that not get picked on his physical?

It did. They made every team aware of the strain and the Angels commented that it was typical wear for a pitcher of his age.

When reached late Tuesday, Angels general manager Billy Eppler told Yahoo Sports: “Shohei underwent a thorough physical with MRI scans to both his elbow and his shoulder. Those are scans we conduct whenever we sign a pitcher. Based on the readings of those MRIs, there are not signs of acute trauma in the elbow. It looks consistent with players his age. We are pleased with the results of the physical and we are very happy to have the player.”