[News] Flames reduce roster to 27 players UPD: Cramarossa released from PTO

[lazypucker]

Is there a gentlemen's agreement where Freddie will have to be with the NHL roster or Dougie refuses to play?

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

Regarding Glass, is it 100% fair to assess him on only his past work over the years or is it possible that people can change and that is why he 'earned' a spot? I am a believer in the benefit of the doubt, only because he seems to be one of the guys that are giving 100%. If he craps the bed 10 or 20 games in, on a consistent basis, then he goes down and someone else comes up, At this point in time, he does deserve the spot, in my opinion.

There is a huge body of work and accompanying stats that show he's terrible.

I think he's been okay in the games we've seen him, but would much prefer we not waste another contract spot on him when there are younger players who bring just as much to the table.

If anyone is going to suggest he's superior to Hathaway or Hamilton based on a few pre-season games, I just don't buy it.

The part that's the most frustrating is a few of the people I've seen suggest he should get a contract (not saying you just because I quoted you) are the same ones who will be melting down when he quickly becomes a whipping boy.

I just see no reason to tie up a contract spot on a 34 year old player with Glass's history.

[Sandman]

I think people are being a little too tough on Freddie-he is by no means a top six player, but as a third or fourth liner he is fine. On a team with less center depth, he would have more opportunities to prove himself...

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

Regarding Glass, is it 100% fair to assess him on only his past work over the years or is it possible that people can change and that is why he 'earned' a spot? I am a believer in the benefit of the doubt, only because he seems to be one of the guys that are giving 100%. If he craps the bed 10 or 20 games in, on a consistent basis, then he goes down and someone else comes up, At this point in time, he does deserve the spot, in my opinion.

Yes, Glass sucks and he's washed up. The Flames don't need this player at all.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by fire_starter

Lol.

Trevalyan?

[Karl]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

Regarding Glass, is it 100% fair to assess him on only his past work over the years or is it possible that people can change and that is why he 'earned' a spot? I am a believer in the benefit of the doubt, only because he seems to be one of the guys that are giving 100%. If he craps the bed 10 or 20 games in, on a consistent basis, then he goes down and someone else comes up, At this point in time, he does deserve the spot, in my opinion.

Yes. Because that is a large sample size over a good 10 years, unlike his small sample size of him looking like a passable hockey player in his 2 preseason games + his last years playoff run.

So yeah, what I am saying is his 2 preseason games + that good playoff performance last year really doesn't matter. Glass is serious hot garbage.

Do not want to keep.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

There is a huge body of work and accompanying stats that show he's terrible.

I think he's been okay in the games we've seen him, but would much prefer we not waste another contract spot on him when there are younger players who bring just as much to the table.

If anyone is going to suggest he's superior to Hathaway or Hamilton based on a few pre-season games, I just don't buy it.

The part that's the most frustrating is a few of the people I've seen suggest he should get a contract (not saying you just because I quoted you) are the same ones who will be melting down when he quickly becomes a whipping boy.

I just see no reason to tie up a contract spot on a 34 year old player with Glass's history.

In all honesty I agree with everything you say but would hope that people could at least consider that at his age he may realize that he needs to give more (as in everything he has) just to stay in the league and maybe that would make enough of a difference to make him a useful 4th liner. Maybe not, so I also see the side that doesn't want to take the gamble. He could just start to coast after gaining a contract.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

Regarding Glass, is it 100% fair to assess him on only his past work over the years or is it possible that people can change and that is why he 'earned' a spot? I am a believer in the benefit of the doubt, only because he seems to be one of the guys that are giving 100%. If he craps the bed 10 or 20 games in, on a consistent basis, then he goes down and someone else comes up, At this point in time, he does deserve the spot, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by jaikorven

In all honesty I agree with everything you say but would hope that people could at least consider that at his age he may realize that he needs to give more (as in everything he has) just to stay in the league and maybe that would make enough of a difference to make him a useful 4th liner. Maybe not, so I also see the side that doesn't want to take the gamble. He could just start to coast after gaining a contract.

It isn't about effort. For a non-unproven-prospect, it's about being an NHLer. Is Chris Butler an NHLer? So if Chris Butler gave you two preseason games where he didn't play like Chris Butler (or like that rare "good Butler") how would you feel about saying Chris Butler "earned" a contract?

At the end of the day earning a contract isn't about playing hard or even looking good for a brief period. It's about getting paid to contribute to team wins over an 82 game period. Tanner Glass has played on some good teams, and I bet you fans of those teams would even say he played pretty hard and gave it his all - but most of the evidence we have at our disposal says that "his all" just doesn't cut the mustard at the NHL level. In fact we have an argument in place that "his all" didn't cut the mustard at the AHL level last year.

It's about being sensible. Signing Tanner Glass is not sensible. If Tanner Glass has outplayed Luke Gadzic, that doesn't mean Tanner Glass has earned a roster spot... it means Luke Gadzic failed to earn a roster spot and so did Tanner Glass.

[Itse]

I really can't bring myself to care.

Glass would be the 12/13th forward anyway, playing maybe half the games. It's also not like there's some great rookie he'd be holding back.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by jaikorven

In all honesty I agree with everything you say but would hope that people could at least consider that at his age he may realize that he needs to give more (as in everything he has) just to stay in the league and maybe that would make enough of a difference to make him a useful 4th liner. Maybe not, so I also see the side that doesn't want to take the gamble. He could just start to coast after gaining a contract.

To me it's the huge sample size of his entire career vs. a do-or-die 3 game audition.

I just don't see any way to make enough of a case he's changed his spots or becomes something more than he is in three games that weren't even largely against NHL competition.

He's a pug, and mark my words, if he somehow makes the roster / gets a contract people here will be screaming for him to shot into the sun within two weeks.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

It isn't about effort. For a non-unproven-prospect, it's about being an NHLer. Is Chris Butler an NHLer? So if Chris Butler gave you two preseason games where he didn't play like Chris Butler (or like that rare "good Butler") how would you feel about saying Chris Butler "earned" a contract?

At the end of the day earning a contract isn't about playing hard or even looking good for a brief period. It's about getting paid to contribute to team wins over an 82 game period. Tanner Glass has played on some good teams, and I bet you fans of those teams would even say he played pretty hard and gave it his all - but most of the evidence we have at our disposal says that "his all" just doesn't cut the mustard at the NHL level. In fact we have an argument in place that "his all" didn't cut the mustard at the AHL level last year.

It's about being sensible. Signing Tanner Glass is not sensible. If Tanner Glass has outplayed Luke Gadzic, that doesn't mean Tanner Glass has earned a roster spot... it means Luke Gadzic failed to earn a roster spot and so did Tanner Glass.

Don't get me wrong, I don't have a fondness for Glass either, just that based on our viewing he has shown well. I can still get behind the fact that he has not performed well over the last few years and see it as a gamble likely not worth taking. I most definitely prefer Hathaway!

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Itse

I really can't bring myself to care.

Glass would be the 12/13th forward anyway, playing maybe half the games. It's also not like there's some great rookie he'd be holding back.

I think if Glass is playing on a line with Mark Jankowski, he will hold Mark Jankowski back.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Itse

I really can't bring myself to care.

Glass would be the 12/13th forward anyway, playing maybe half the games. It's also not like there's some great rookie he'd be holding back.

Yeah if the biggest things we have to complain about are the 6/7th defensemen and the 12/13th forward things are looking pretty good.

On second thought, I guess you could always complain about Brouwer...but still.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Torture

Yeah if the biggest things we have to complain about are the 6/7th defensemen and the 12/13th forward things are looking pretty good.

On second thought, I guess you could always complain about Brouwer...but still.

Can I complain about Gulutzan or is that over until the flames lose 3 in a row?

[FBI]

Honestly I would prefer Jokkipakka over Bartkowski but I haven't followed him since Calgary. Has he really deteriorated that much since then?

[Red Slinger]

It's fantastic that the biggest questions coming out of training camp are the 6/7 defensemen and the 12/13 forwards.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

It's fantastic that the biggest questions coming out of training camp are the 6/7 defensemen and the 12/13 forwards.

Agreed but the first and third lines are very suspect.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Agreed but the first and third lines are very suspect.

I would say the first and third lines "are questionable," but "very suspect" seems excessively pessimistic.

[renny]

Originally Posted by FBI

Honestly I would prefer Jokkipakka over Bartkowski but I haven't followed him since Calgary. Has he really deteriorated that much since then?

He was cut from his PTO in WSH, so there's that.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I would say the first and third lines "are questionable," but "very suspect" seems excessively pessimistic.

Yes questionable is where my head is at. The comment was not meant to be as pessimistic as it was interpreted