Who do you WANT to be the Flames Starting Goalie Next Season [*NEW POLL 12·05·17]

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Hearing a Mike Smith rumour.

Makes sense with Treliving and Maloney in the organization.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Hearing a Mike Smith rumour.

From somewhere legit?

[Roof-Daddy]

Flames seem to like their big goalies, and I bet they want a good puck handler too.

Plus the management ties to Arizona. I could see Smith happening. Would have to watch next season through my fingers in fear if they do that though.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Hearing a Mike Smith rumour.

[btimbit]

Ugh. No Thanks to Mike Smith. I don't think he's horrible but would rather re-sign Elliott

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Because goalies have proven to command a lot less than skaters on the trade market.

Agreed. If someone can show me the return for a goalie that included young NHLers with pedigree I'd like to see it. Can't recall that ever happening.

Usually moved for picks, even the ones who are NHL proven.

Frederik Andersen
Semyon Varlamov
Bobby Lou (back in 2006)


Goalies are weird. Most important player on the team, but so damn unpredictable. And their trade values never seem to reflect how important they are. Very strange.

[Ryan Coke]

I'm actually warming up to the idea of Miller. If we aren't going to get a long term #1, then a couple of years of Miller would be fine. He was excellent on a terrible Canucks team last year, and really kept them in the playoff picture far longer than they should have been.

I would even consider a Miller or Smith, along with an unproven younger guy like a Grubauer or Rantaa, obviously depending on acquisition cost.

I absolutely do not want to count on Gillies or Parsons becoming the solution. Either guy is probably 2-5 years away, if at all. Hope for it, but don't plan on it.

[jayswin]

Jesus Christ, that rumor better not be true. There's no metric or even eye test that shows that Mike Smith isn't a poor choice. I'd be incredibly disappointed in this organization if that was the solution in goal. That's two more years wasted in the rebuild, most likely.

[fire_starter]

Still vote for Korpisalo.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Because goalies have proven to command a lot less than skaters on the trade market.

When was the last time a Stanley cup winning 22 year old starting goalie was traded?

He was the starting goalie for the best team in the league this year after taking over late in the season last year for Pittsburgh and ended up being a conn smythe candidate for them.

He was goalie of the year in the AHL, his rookie season, where he was also rookie of the year

Signed for 3 more years after this at 3.75, who on earth would want to trade a player like that?

If Matt Murray was a Calgary Flames you wouldn't trade 5 first round picks for him.

John Gillies is a year older than Murray for crying out loud.

Come.On.Man.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

From somewhere legit?

Ken King talking in his sleep on the office couch.

[fire_starter]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Jesus Christ, that rumor better not be true. There's no metric or even eye test that shows that Mike Smith isn't a poor choice. I'd be incredibly disappointed in this organization if that was the solution in goal. That's two more years wasted in the rebuild, most likely.

Do you have reasons to back up your answer? I don't see how Mike Smith is a bad choice. He would have been my second pick. His stats this year were great considering what team he had play in front of him.

I mean yes he's up there in age but I'd prefer him over Miller.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When was the last time a Stanley cup winning 22 year old starting goalie was traded?



He was the starting goalie for the best team in the league this year after taking over late in the season last year for Pittsburgh and ended up being a conn smythe candidate for them.



He was goalie of the year in the AHL, his rookie season, where he was also rookie of the year



Signed for 3 more years after this at 3.75, who on earth would want to trade a player like that?



If Matt Murray was a Calgary Flames you wouldn't trade 5 first round picks for him.



John Gillies is a year older than Murray for crying out loud.



Come.On.Man.

The faux outrage is unnecessary, and this is no slight in Murray. I just don't believe that if the Penguins were forced to move him—which is the only way he is traded—the actual acquisition cost will not be much more than a player like Bennett.

[driveway]

Steve Mason is the guy I want now. Available as a UFA so we don't have to give up assets. Coming off a below-average year (.908 in 16-17 vs. .911 career). Four years and 6000 shots younger than Fleury, has proven himself to be able to start 50+ games, has posted a .920 or better 5v5 save percentage every year with Philadelphia. Fleury has been below .920 5v5 twice in the last four years.

Given what Bishop got for six years, offer Mason 4 years @ 4.5 million.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When was the last time a Stanley cup winning 22 year old starting goalie was traded?

He was the starting goalie for the best team in the league this year after taking over late in the season last year for Pittsburgh and ended up being a conn smythe candidate for them.

He was goalie of the year in the AHL, his rookie season, where he was also rookie of the year

Signed for 3 more years after this at 3.75, who on earth would want to trade a player like that?

If Matt Murray was a Calgary Flames you wouldn't trade 5 first round picks for him.

John Gillies is a year older than Murray for crying out loud.

Come.On.Man.

The closest comparison is Semyon Varlamov, who had a couple really good seasons in the NHL and one decent playoffs. Didn't win the Cup obviously, but was a very good, young goalie already excelling at the NHL level.

He was traded at 22 years old for a 1st and 2nd round pick a full year before the draft the picks were for. Luckily for the Caps the Avs sucked that year and they ended up with the 11th overall pick and selected Filip Forsberg. Unluckily for the Caps, McPhee had a brain fart and traded him to Nasville for Martin Erat lol.

The equivalent would be the Flames trading 2018 1st and 2nd round picks on July 1st this year.

Goalie values are weird dude. They never return what you think they would, especially for how important they are to a teams success.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by fire_starter

Do you have reasons to back up your answer? I don't see how Mike Smith is a bad choice. He would have been my second pick. His stats this year were great considering what team he had play in front of him.

I mean yes he's up there in age but I'd prefer him over Miller.

Smith hasn't posted a save % above 0.916 in the past 5 years or a GGA lower than 2.58 in 4 years. His career save % is 0.913 and career GAA is 2.70. It is a 474 game sample size.

I realize that the Coyotes haven't been a great team, but there doesn't seem to be many reasons to be hopeful that he is better than that the team has been.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Bennett by himself would not be enough to land Matt Murray.

Regardless of what the cost for Murray would be, trading Bennett for him would be a huge mistake for the Flames.

Acquiring a goalie is substantially easier than acquiring high end Cs (despite the Flames' problems for the last couple years).

The only sure way to acquire players with the potential that Bennett possesses is with lottery picks. Moving Bennett sets our C depth back immensely (Jankowski would be #3 on the go-forward depth chart).

That would set the rebuild WAY back. As it stands, we are still one or two good young pieces away. We need Bennett AND someone else to blossom.

Trade Bennett and our forward depth, including prospects, is back to rebuild status.

[David Struch]

Mike Smith just turned 35 on March 22nd and is signed for two more years at $5,666,667. (catches right)

[dino7c]

Considering the team he was on Miller had some pretty impressive stats last season

[1qqaaz]

I am still hoping for longshots like Schneider or Murray.
And I think Varlamov is more realistic than Pickard.

Varlamov has already been involved in rumours for awhile now