[Trade] Burrows to the Sens for Johnathan Dahlen. Burrows signs 2 year extension.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

would you both shut up please.

How dare we actually have discussion about the prospect that was just traded, in the thread about the prospect that was just traded.

Forgot that some here think that Calgarypuck is just a news source and no actual discussion or debate is allowed.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

would you both shut up please.

pretty sure we are discussing the prospect traded in this deal, why would we shut up? If you were referring to the conversation me and the Van poster had then yes I agree.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

How dare we actually have discussion about the prospect that was just traded, in the thread about the prospect that was just traded.

Forgot that some here think that Calgarypuck is just a news source and no actual discussion or debate is allowed.

not you.. haha

the two going on and on about "jelly".

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Sure it's probably a 10% chance he becomes a 60 pt NHLer but that's the risk with every prospect.

the trade of Erat for Forsberg happened it looked unlikely that Forsberg would become as good as he has.

The point is that at the time of the trades their performance in their draft and draft + 1 seasons were very similar, that is the only comparisons people are making.

This is patently false. At the time of the trade Fosberg was widely regarded as one of the top NHL prospects. When the trade went down the entire hockey world responded with utter bewilderment. Dahlen by comparison does not appear on anyone's top-50 or top-60 rankings. In fact, according to Button's List Dahlen is only the #5 ranked prospect in Ottawa's system.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

but why you so jelly tho. You have Tkachuk, and he's alright. Bit dumb, but he's coo'. I don't see why you gotta be so jelly.

"alright" the jelly comes out,

jelly is as jelly does

[Yrebmi]

I legit chuckled at the Jelly banter

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is patently false. At the time of the trade Fosberg was widely regarded as one of the top NHL prospects. When the trade went down the entire hockey world responded with utter bewilderment. Dahlen by comparison does not appear on anyone's top-50 or top-60 rankings. In fact, according to Button's List Dahlen is only the #5 ranked prospect in Ottawa's system.

The Forsberg comparison is a bit nutty to me. However, even if Dahlen is considered the 5th ranked Sen prospect, that is a big win for Vancouver. I assume he would place around #4 on the current Van list.

I would have hated to give up Fox, for comparison.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Well, so far this has to be the most lopsided deal of this trade deadline - but it is earlier still.

Dahlen is a fine prospect. I am not sure what I find crazier - that the Canucks managed to turn Burrows into something good, or that Ottawa wasn't the only team bidding on Burrows.

I really hope that Treliving smells blood and calls up Dorian.

I can't help but think that Iginla or even Doan (if he would agree) would have been better 'character' guys for Ottawa to target. If Burrows returned that, I am questioning how much Iginla would command now - probably too much.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

The Forsberg comparison is a bit nutty to me. However, even if Dahlen is considered the 5th ranked Sen prospect, that is a big win for Vancouver. I assume he would place around #4 on the current Van list.

I would have hated to give up Fox, for comparison.

That is where I would put him:

1/2. Olli Juolevi
1/2. Brock Boesser
3. Thatcher Demko
4. Jonathan Dahlen

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

not you.. haha

the two going on and on about "jelly".

Well I was just confused why were are jelly. Maybe it's because i'm newer here but I don't get why non-flames fans are allowed to derail threads with dumb assertions. He's a very nice looking 2nd round pick and I hoping nothing but the best for him in Van. But ya I guess because I called him a troll so I'm jelly too. Cool

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

The Forsberg comparison is a bit nutty to me. However, even if Dahlen is considered the 5th ranked Sen prospect, that is a big win for Vancouver. I assume he would place around #4 on the current Van list.

I would have hated to give up Fox, for comparison.

that link had 4 Canucks in Buttons top 40

Dahlen isn't in top 50 on it

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Well, so far this has to be the most lopsided deal of this trade deadline - but it is earlier still.

Dahlen is a fine prospect. I am not sure what I find crazier - that the Canucks managed to turn Burrows into something good, or that Ottawa wasn't the only team bidding on Burrows.

I really hope that Treliving smells blood and calls up Dorian.

I can't help but think that Iginla or even Doan (if he would agree) would have been better 'character' guys for Ottawa to target. If Burrows returned that, I am questioning how much Iginla would command now - probably too much.

Wideman and a first for Chabot

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

This is patently false. At the time of the trade Fosberg was widely regarded as one of the top NHL prospects. When the trade went down the entire hockey world responded with utter bewilderment. Dahlen by comparison does not appear on anyone's top-50 or top-60 rankings. In fact, according to Button's List Dahlen is only the #5 ranked prospect in Ottawa's system.

Forsberg was #21 on THN Future Watch at the time of the trade (jumped up to #4 during the season after the trade though), and many people questioned how big of an offensive contributor he would be at the NHL level. It was why he fell in the draft, and a big reason why Washington traded him.

Dahlen will probably be in the #50 to #60 range IMO, so a tier below Forsberg, which I had stated.

I'm not even sure what we are arguing. I agreed that it is unlikely that Dahlen will be as good as Forsberg, all I posted is that their stats in their draft and draft + 1 years in the SHL were very similar. Not sure how you guys can argue that the comparison is invalid when all we are showing is how close their stats are.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

That is where I would put him:

1/2. Olli Juolevi
1/2. Brock Boesser
3. Thatcher Demko
4. Jonathan Dahlen

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

that link had 4 Canucks in Buttons top 40

Dahlen isn't in top 50 on it

Corey Pronman tweeted after the trade that he had Dahlen as the Canucks 3rd best prospect now, but admitted he rates goalies pretty lowly and was concerned by the struggles that Demko has had this season.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Forsberg was #21 on THN Future Watch at the time of the trade (jumped up to #4 during the season after the trade though), and many people questioned how big of an offensive contributor he would be at the NHL level. It was why he fell in the draft, and a big reason why Washington traded him.

Dahlen will probably be in the #50 to #60 range IMO, so a tier below Forsberg, which I had stated.

I'm not even sure what we are arguing. I agreed that it is unlikely that Dahlen will be as good as Forsberg, all I posted is that their stats in their draft and draft + 1 years in the SHL were very similar. Not sure how you guys can argue that the comparison is invalid when all we are showing is how close their stats are.

Ya stats are great but I'm sure if you dig deep enough their are other prospects from that league that put up similar numbers and didn't turn into Forsberg. Forsberg's development sky rocketed after his draft +1 year which is indicative to why he went high in the draft and why he was a highly touted prospect. Dahlen seems like a nice looking second round pick so far but to infer that he has the potential to have the development curve Forsberg had is a pretty big assumption. And you did that by comparing their stats, which is fine but doesn't at all mean Forsberg is a good comparable. It would've been better for him to stay with the Sens because Vancouver has not shown the ability to develop prospects properly, he has a lot of development left and is by no means a lock to be a top 6 NHL player. He wasn't a blue chip prospect for the Sens and I don't think he is now but good luck to him, he will need it.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Forsberg was #21 on THN Future Watch at the time of the trade (jumped up to #4 during the season after the trade though), and many people questioned how big of an offensive contributor he would be at the NHL level. It was why he fell in the draft, and a big reason why Washington traded him.

Dahlen will probably be in the #50 to #60 range IMO, so a tier below Forsberg, which I had stated.

I'm not even sure what we are arguing. I agreed that it is unlikely that Dahlen will be as good as Forsberg, all I posted is that their stats in their draft and draft + 1 years in the SHL were very similar. Not sure how you guys can argue that the comparison is invalid when all we are showing is how close their stats are.

You really need to let this go.

There are all kinds of players who have similar stats in lesser leagues at a young age. In no way does that provide any useable data as to which ones turn into NHL all-stars because the likelihood of that happening is very small.

The stats you are referring to in no world make it likely that Dahlen is going to make the NHL and put up Forsberg like numbers at a pro level. It's asinine.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

would you both shut up please.

oh man, so jelly.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Beninho

Ya stats are great but I'm sure if you dig deep enough their are other prospects from that league that put up similar numbers and didn't turn into Forsberg. Forsberg's development sky rocketed after his draft +1 year which is indicative to why he went high in the draft and why he was a highly touted prospect. Dahlen seems like a nice looking second round pick so far but to infer that he has the potential to have the development curve Forsberg had is a pretty big assumption. And you did that by comparing their stats, which is fine but doesn't at all mean Forsberg is a good comparable.

To be fair Blaster and myself also posted other comparables of guys who haven't had the same success as Forsberg, you guys just decided to run away with the Forsberg one.

I wouldn't mind the Flames targeting the Senators in trades though. Senators seem to have moved into win now mode, and Dorion seems to value veterans and will overpay to get them.

In the last year the Sens have traded Mika Zibanejad, a 2017 2nd, a 2018 2nd and Jonathan Dahlen for Dion Phaneuf, Derrick Brassard & Alex Burrows.

Can't argue with the results too much because they have had a good season but I wouldn't mind shedding a veteran for a pick.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

oh man, so jelly.

what's your purpose here?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You really need to let this go.

There are all kinds of players who have similar stats in lesser leagues at a young age. In no way does that provide any useable data as to which ones turn into NHL all-stars because the likelihood of that happening is very small.

The stats you are referring to in no world make it likely that Dahlen is going to make the NHL and put up Forsberg like numbers at a pro level. It's asinine.

I am done after this but why do we even look at prospect stats then.

Hell we all spend all season fawning over prospect stats, looking at draft rankings, and comparing them to how other prospects performed at the same age.

That is all we are doing here.

Nobody said that Dahlen = Forsberg and was a lock to put up 60 points in the NHL. All I posted was that Dahlen's stats were very comparible to Forsberg (and some other SWE-1 players) at the same age.

You were the one who jumped on the idea that I said Dahlen was going to be as good as Forsberg when I actually have denied that fact multiple times.