02-20-2017, 03:31 PM
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#141
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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I'm just curious if a guy like Kevin has big value to a team like COL.
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02-20-2017, 03:31 PM
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#142
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Would Jokipakka carry much value on the trade market? Still young & has untapped potential.
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...so then why not try and keep him as a #6 going forward and see if he can reach that potential?
Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Stone
Jokipakka - ????????
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02-20-2017, 03:31 PM
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#143
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Calgary
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There is lots of mention about handshake deals and the league will be watching out for this but what if the player does not want to go to vegas, knows they would be exposed and makes the decision not to sign a deal until after the expansion? I'm sure the NHLPA would support their players, would the league have any recourse for the player?
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02-20-2017, 03:32 PM
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#144
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First Line Centre
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His brother Mark would be a nice pickup on RW...
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02-20-2017, 03:32 PM
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#145
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
Yeah I don't get how they will penalize for it.
"We were in negotiations prior to the expansion draft, but during those negotiations we didn't come to a contract agreement, he hit the UFA market and we agreed upon a contract then."
It can be something as simple as "Prior to the expansion draft they didn't offer me a Limited No Trade Clause, now they did and we agreed upon the deal".
The league can release a statement, and Las Vegas can complain, but it's not going to stop teams from doing it.
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It's definitely assured we're going 7/3/1, right?
Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Bennett, Frolik, Ferland, Brouwer.
Gio/Brodie/Dougie
Gillies
Stajan, Bouma, Hathaway, and Freddie exposed up front.
Stone (UFA), Wideman (UFA), Engelland (UFA), Jokipakka (RFA), Bartkowski.
The Flames are going to give Vegas absolutely nothing of value. At this point, I'd bet they take Kulak over anyone we have available at the big league level. Maybe they want some vet leadership or something so they take Stajan, but every team in the league has a Matt Stajan in some form, and they'll all be left unprotected.
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02-20-2017, 03:33 PM
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#146
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cznTiburon
There is lots of mention about handshake deals and the league will be watching out for this but what if the player does not want to go to vegas, knows they would be exposed and makes the decision not to sign a deal until after the expansion? I'm sure the NHLPA would support their players, would the league have any recourse for the player?
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The league would have to prove collusion.
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02-20-2017, 03:33 PM
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#147
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cznTiburon
There is lots of mention about handshake deals and the league will be watching out for this but what if the player does not want to go to vegas, knows they would be exposed and makes the decision not to sign a deal until after the expansion? I'm sure the NHLPA would support their players, would the league have any recourse for the player?
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For the Golden Knights, this is why they have a 48 hour window to talk to free agents prior to the expansion draft. If an unrestricted free agent indicates they won't sign with Vegas, Vegas is extremely unlikely to pick them.
Last edited by Finger Cookin; 02-20-2017 at 03:36 PM.
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02-20-2017, 03:34 PM
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#148
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlameZilla
Would Jokipakka carry much value on the trade market? Still young & has untapped potential.
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I bet we could get a 3rd and a conditional 5th for him.
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02-20-2017, 03:36 PM
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#149
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Holland
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
Officially completed now.
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Ask and you shall receive lol. Woooo.
Man I'm excited to see more less wide and more stone.
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02-20-2017, 03:36 PM
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#150
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
It's definitely assured we're going 7/3/1, right?
Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Bennett, Frolik, Ferland, Brouwer.
Gio/Brodie/Dougie
Gillies
Stajan, Bouma, Hathaway, and Freddie exposed up front.
Stone (UFA), Wideman (UFA), Engelland (UFA), Jokipakka (RFA), Bartkowski.
The Flames are going to give Vegas absolutely nothing of value. At this point, I'd bet they take Kulak over anyone we have available at the big league level. Maybe they want some vet leadership or something so they take Stajan, but every team in the league has a Matt Stajan in some form, and they'll all be left unprotected.
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I think we're still in a good spot to acquire a high end talent up front as well, as even if we expose Brouwer, it's unlikely he'll be claimed.
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02-20-2017, 03:40 PM
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#151
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheScorpion
...so then why not try and keep him as a #6 going forward and see if he can reach that potential?
Giordano - Hamilton
Brodie - Stone
Jokipakka - ????????
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Well, because GG obviously isn't that into Kevin & hasn't been playing him often. If he holds some value that will be diminishing as he sits in the press box. May as well explore what value he might command in a trade before that value diminishes to nil.
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02-20-2017, 03:41 PM
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#152
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Farm Team Player
Join Date: Feb 2016
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Does anyone else think that a Wideman trade might now be imminent? Also, I don't think its out of the question the Flames now protect 4x4 but I may be wrong.
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02-20-2017, 03:42 PM
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#153
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ComixZone
I think we're still in a good spot to acquire a high end talent up front as well, as even if we expose Brouwer, it's unlikely he'll be claimed.
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This is definitely the year to throw that 1st on the table. Imagine if we acquired Landeskog. Then they're a goalie away from being truly legit.
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02-20-2017, 03:45 PM
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#154
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Sone was #5 on the tsn trade bait list.
Interesting that his cost was so low.
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02-20-2017, 03:47 PM
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#155
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814
It's definitely assured we're going 7/3/1, right?
Gaudreau, Monahan, Backlund, Bennett, Frolik, Ferland, Brouwer.
Gio/Brodie/Dougie
Gillies
Stajan, Bouma, Hathaway, and Freddie exposed up front.
Stone (UFA), Wideman (UFA), Engelland (UFA), Jokipakka (RFA), Bartkowski.
The Flames are going to give Vegas absolutely nothing of value. At this point, I'd bet they take Kulak over anyone we have available at the big league level. Maybe they want some vet leadership or something so they take Stajan, but every team in the league has a Matt Stajan in some form, and they'll all be left unprotected.
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I wouldn't be mad if we lost Ferland or Brouwer if that means we pick up a forward to play with John Monahan and Seany Gaudreau.
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02-20-2017, 03:52 PM
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#156
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin
Brodie - Stone
Bartkowski - Engelland
Is way better than
Brodie - Wideman
Jokipakka/Kulak - Engelland
All it cost was a 3rd
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But isn't
Brodie - Stone
Engelland - Wideman
Even better than what you wrote down? I'm happy to see Wideman gone, but this year, only if he's gone to free up room to fill another hole in this roster.
If not, might as well wait until he just expires in the offseason.
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02-20-2017, 03:52 PM
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#157
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One of the Nine
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RHSkinny
Does anyone else think that a Wideman trade might now be imminent? Also, I don't think its out of the question the Flames now protect 4x4 but I may be wrong.
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I'm flattered, but there are more important guys to protect.
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02-20-2017, 03:52 PM
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#158
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moneyhands23
Sone was #5 on the tsn trade bait list.
Interesting that his cost was so low.
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I would have expected closer to a 2nd at least.
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02-20-2017, 03:53 PM
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#159
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One of the Nine
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Space Sector 2814
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I like this deal for both sides, Arizona regains their 3rd round pick with the possibility of a 5th for a pending UFA. Calgary picks up a legit NHL defenseman for a 3rd, fair to good value, and half salary retained which leaves them room for further depth moves.
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02-20-2017, 03:54 PM
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#160
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Franchise Player
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Happy with the Stone pickup. Solidifies our top 4, for sure.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle
But isn't
Brodie - Stone
Engelland - Wideman
Even better than what you wrote down? I'm happy to see Wideman gone, but this year, only if he's gone to free up room to fill another hole in this roster.
If not, might as well wait until he just expires in the offseason.
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I will be happy with just his contract expiring at the end of the year. 
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