89th Oscars | Nominations Released

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Kimmel did a great job through out, him and Damon going at it was great. The screw up was... unfortunate but they did a good job of figuring it out and moving on.

Sad I have not seen a single one of these movies, it seems like if they don't come across my on demand at the right time I don't watch them. I might make a point of watching a few now though. La La Land and Hacksaw Ridge look particularly entertaining.

Hey now. Moonlight won best picture. Why pick movies that you think look entertaining when you can pick one that looks boring that won best picture?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by troutman

Don't get accountants to do a lawyer's job!

Glad to see Ali awarded - first Muslim to win an Oscar? Thought he was terrific in Luke Cage too.

There has been a growing back-lash against La La Land. I have not seen it myself yet, but some commentators have criticized it for being tone deaf about racism, sexism, Jazz and Los Angeles.

Halle Berry - oh my!

Poor Warren - was confused, and wasn't sure what to do. I think he assumed La La Land was meant to be best picture so he stayed quiet for a minute until he knew that was wrong.

Kudos to La La Land entourage and Beatty for stepping up and explaining. Kimmel was willing to take the blame for everything.

It is really hard to say where all this is originating.

It is normal for very popular movies to face backlash just for being overhyped and popular. But I feel like it is more than that for La La Land.

The Oscars have had very strong racial tensions the last little while and even though Hollywood is overwhelmingly liberal it really feels like La La Land came to represent everything bad about white america. Disrespect of black culture, whitewashing, gentrification etc.

There was a very strong undercurrent last night on twitter of people who were cheering for black nominees but not just out of pride for diversity. There was a tremendous amount of hatred and spitefulness towards the mainstream "white" nominees.

As much as Hollywood pats themselves on the back for being so liberal and accepting, especially people like Meryl Streep, I think a lot of black america and those that identify with minorities, feel like these are the white elites who generally ignore them and are very condescending towards the race issues present in america.

The Oscars have never really represented true artistic integrity when it comes to their selection and voting process. Academy voters are well known for snubbing nominees who don't meet certain criteria, don't suck up quite enough etc and have been known to cast their votes more for the message it sends, than because of the artistic virtues of a particular candidate.

In this particular case, even if Moonlight won because the Academy was afraid of the white vs black backlash of choosing La La Land over a black candidate, it was a deserving winner anyway.

Let's be honest though, lots of this controversy is the Academy's fault. Until very recently they have intentionally kept their membership overwhelmingly white, male and old. They have shown very little desire to have a more inclusive membership and more inclusive nominees.

I just hope the politicizing of the Oscars fades a bit. Maybe that's a pipe dream given the current state of politics and race relations in the US and the fact that the Oscars often are a reflection of that. I preferred it when it was Harvey Weinstein threatening to have someone killed that won a movie an Oscar, not a heated race relations debate.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Most years I'll try and see all the Best Picture noms, this year I managed three of them. Arrival in theatres, Manchester by the Sea last month and Hacksaw Ridge over the weekend. Most of the nominations didn't scream "Must Watch!" to be honest.

Hawksaw Ridge was a great story but the movie was pretty meh IMO. Vince Vaughn was pretty terrible and took me right out of the story each time he held up his gun and showed his Vincey face. Skipped the Oscar broadcast last night with plans to skip through to the awards only, thought it would be a quick half hour watch early this AM. The gaff was everywhere though so impossible not to spoil.

I'll see them eventually though, or try. Hell or High Water looks good, Hidden Figures seems interesting, Moonlight will get the Oscar win watch. Fences, La La Land, Lion just kind of bleed into the background.

I'll spare the "bad year for movies" line however. Great movies from the previous year always filter out into the public eventually. In the movie thread here CPF noted "The Founder" was the best picture he'd seen in from 2017, but it's a 2016 movie.

[Weitz]

The fiance wanted to watch La La land so I started with her and left after 20 minutes. Not for me.

[GreenLantern]

Kimmel's review of We Bought a Zoo had me keeling over... "Why? Why not?"

[Knut]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The fiance wanted to watch La La land so I started with her and left after 20 minutes. Not for me.

You left your fiancé in the movie theatre 20mins in ?

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Hes

You left your fiancé in the movie theatre 20mins in ?

No I left the living room to go to the spare room.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The fiance wanted to watch La La land so I started with her and left after 20 minutes. Not for me.

Ditto for me and my wife last night. We just had to turn it off at about the 30 minute mark.

We'll try again to watch the rest, but I'm thinking more in the background while we make dinner or do other things to multitask. Trying to sit down and watch it intently just wasn't happening. Was pretty La La Bland.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

It is really hard to say where all this is originating.

It is normal for very popular movies to face backlash just for being overhyped and popular. But I feel like it is more than that for La La Land.

The Oscars have had very strong racial tensions the last little while and even though Hollywood is overwhelmingly liberal it really feels like La La Land came to represent everything bad about white america. Disrespect of black culture, whitewashing, gentrification etc.

But here's the thing: Hollywood doesn't present an accurate picture of anything. It's in the business of fantasy and spectacle, not documenting the real world. Of course La La Land is going to treat jazz superficially. It's also going to treat romance superficially and L.A. itself superficially.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

There was a very strong undercurrent last night on twitter of people who were cheering for black nominees but not just out of pride for diversity. There was a tremendous amount of hatred and spitefulness towards the mainstream "white" nominees.

There's a tremendous undercurrent of hatred of everything on Twitter. Any social media platform that is used by tens of millions of people is going to include thousands of people venting their outrage at X, where X can be literally anything you can imagine. Letting social media outrage be the barometer of anything is folly.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

As much as Hollywood pats themselves on the back for being so liberal and accepting, especially people like Meryl Streep, I think a lot of black america and those that identify with minorities, feel like these are the white elites who generally ignore them and are very condescending towards the race issues present in america.

They're also condescending towards poor white people. But class is a taboo subject in America, so frustration at the 'gentrification' of Hollywood becomes a race issue.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

The Oscars have never really represented true artistic integrity when it comes to their selection and voting process. Academy voters are well known for snubbing nominees who don't meet certain criteria, don't suck up quite enough etc and have been known to cast their votes more for the message it sends, than because of the artistic virtues of a particular candidate.

True. When it comes to awards, they favour movies that carry a clear social message. Compare that with European film, where movies about people overcoming adversity are regarded as maudlin and vulgar.

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Let's be honest though, lots of this controversy is the Academy's fault. Until very recently they have intentionally kept their membership overwhelmingly white, male and old. They have shown very little desire to have a more inclusive membership and more inclusive nominees.

They allowed people to stay members of the academy until they were very old. And since there were vanishingly few black Americans working in film 50 years ago, of course that's going to keep the membership white. But there's no reason to think it was a deliberate way to keep the academy white, as that was the system put in place long before anyone gave any thought to diversity.

And how 'inclusive' should nominees be? Should they reflect the population as a whole? In that case, I wouldn't expect blacks to make up more than 10 per cent of nominees, seeing as they only make up 12 per cent of the American population, and many nominees come from countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, etc. that have even fewer blacks. So one would reasonably expect a typical year to have 1 of the 10 acting nominees be black, with some years having 2 and some years none.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Of the best picture nominees, I have seen:

1. Hell or High Water
2. Arrival
3. Hidden Figures
4. Moonlight

They are ranked in the order based on what I found to be the most entertaining.

I do not have any interest seeing the other nominated movies.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

Ditto for me and my wife last night. We just had to turn it off at about the 30 minute mark.

We'll try again to watch the rest, but I'm thinking more in the background while we make dinner or do other things to multitask. Trying to sit down and watch it intently just wasn't happening. Was pretty La La Bland.

Same here. Tried it twice with the GF and just couldn't do it. Musicals aren't for us I guess.

[OutOfTheCube]

I was interested to look and find that I have seen every single "Best Animated Feature" winner ever. Only category I can say that for (helps that it's the newest award).

Though Fantastic Mr. Fox should've definitely won it in 2009. Up is great, but FMF is one of my favorite overall movies ever.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by polak

Tried it twice with the GF and just couldn't do it.

Ha, larf.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Baron von Kriterium

Of the best picture nominees, I have seen:

1. Hell or High Water
2. Arrival
3. Hidden Figures
4. Moonlight

They are ranked in the order based on what I found to be the most entertaining.

I do not have any interest seeing the other nominated movies.

I've only seen Hell or High Water and Arrival to date. Enjoyed both of them but neither are movies I would put on a pedestal.

[northcrunk]

I'm surprised anyone watched the Oscars. It's so dry and boring. Most awards shows are.

[polak]

The Grammy's were surprisingly great this year. The performances were awesome for the most part.

The MTV awards can be fun too.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Hey now. Moonlight won best picture. Why pick movies that you think look entertaining when you can pick one that looks boring that won best picture?

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Though Fantastic Mr. Fox should've definitely won it in 2009. Up is great, but FMF is one of my favorite overall movies ever.

Guy who can't even watch a preview for a human drama without being bored to tears loves (and prefers) animated movies based on books for kids.

Checks out.

[OutOfTheCube]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Guy who can't even watch a preview for a human drama without being bored to tears loves (and prefers) animated movies based on books for kids.

Checks out.

Today, you discovered people have different taste in media. I'm not sure why this seemingly offends some people so much.

And I like plenty of human dramas -- I just don't care to watch an artsy coming of age story about a gay black guy.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube

Today, you discovered people have different taste in media. I'm not sure why this seemingly offends some people so much.

And I like plenty of human dramas -- I just don't care to watch an artsy coming of age story about a gay black guy.

But an artsy story about a humanoid fox that wears a tie was just rife with the ability to relate.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

I think it is hilarious how mad people are getting that one random guy didn't want to watch Moonlight.


On a related note, for those of you who said La La Land was boring, you're scum. Below scum. You clearly have no souls.