Naheed Nenshi vs Michelle Rempel

[redforever]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hard to build infrastructure when the province cuts off your funding in order to fight the deficit. People underestimate the extent to which Klein balanced the books on the backs of municipalities.

That isn't the whole picture.

Martin also cut the deficit on the backs of the provinces and the provinces then in turn cut off money to the municipalities.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hard to build infrastructure when the province cuts off your funding in order to fight the deficit. People underestimate the extent to which Klein balanced the books on the backs of municipalities.

Yep. Slayed deficits, but created a big infrastructure deficit.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by redforever

That isn't the whole picture.

Martin also cut the deficit on the backs of the provinces and the provinces then in turn cut off money to the municipalities.

Also true.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Smartcar

Actually no, business taxes are being phased out and will be gone in a few years (yay) but the decline in revenue will be added to the non residential mill rate (boo). So op costs will go up and landlords with vacant commercial property will pay more. Probably a good move politically since landlords don't get to vote.

Calgary was the last to have a business tax. Harmonization and phasing out of the business tax was something the business community lobbied for. It does shift the tax burden, but is revenue neutral.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Not that I agree with Clarkey at all, but Nenshi did only get 40% in his first election:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calgar...election,_2010

Not bad considering he was polling at 8% 6 weeks out, and within the margin of error of 0% 8 weeks out.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Bunk

Not bad considering he was polling at 8% 6 weeks out, and within the margin of error of 0% 8 weeks out.

Thank goodness for thanksgiving dinner.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

I'll never support nenshi again. Smug prick

You know what, and this wont surprise anyone who reads my posts on this forum in regards to politics and economics, I dont have a problem with Nenshi being a smug prick occasionally when he is right.

I mean, look at this scenario: he calls her out for not understanding the very thing it is her job and education and expertise to understand.

Sorry, when you fail that hard you should expect to get smacked a little and in response she pulled the feminist card.

Again...sometimes a little snark is needed to really hammer the nail in.

If he does it in a scenario where it isnt appropriate then I might get on board.

[shermanator]

Wait, northcrunk actually supported Nenshi at some point? With the way they rail on Nenshi, that surprises me.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Who do you think was the best mayor? I predict you'll say Ralph Klein.

In fairness to those mayors pre-Klein I don't believe I am old enough to proclaim Calgary's best ever mayor. Klein in his time was equally or more popular as Nenshi is today. I don't have an issue with Nenshi the mayor however he's far from perfect especially in his social media dealings which have been quite frankly distasteful and embarrassing.

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Uh yeah I was, by a lot. And yes Nenshi is the best mayor Calgary has ever had.

Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Wait, northcrunk actually supported Nenshi at some point? With the way they rail on Nenshi, that surprises me.

I realize to some he can do no wrong but Nenshi brings a lot of this on himself. You don't have to be a nice guy to be a good mayor but it certainly doesn't hurt.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I realize to some he can do no wrong but Nenshi brings a lot of this on himself. You don't have to be a nice guy to be a good mayor but it certainly doesn't hurt.

You should also realize that it's not surprising because people believe Nenshi can do no wrong, but that someone who uses phrases like "pantie waste facists," "liberal ######," and "climate change zealots" while calling BLM racist and listing Nenshi as one of the top three people he'd like to punch in the face, makes for a fairly surprising one-time supporter of Nenshi.

Doesn't add up.

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

In fairness to those mayors pre-Klein I don't believe I am old enough to proclaim Calgary's best ever mayor. Klein in his time was equally or more popular as Nenshi is today. I don't have an issue with Nenshi the mayor however he's far from perfect especially in his social media dealings which have been quite frankly distasteful and embarrassing.



Saying it over and over again doesn't make it true.

Klein was a good mayor. I'd say a better mayor than premier.

[crazy_eoj]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Hard to build infrastructure when the province cuts off your funding in order to fight the deficit. People underestimate the extent to which Klein balanced the books on the backs of municipalities.

Why not provide some actual numbers then?

The narrative that there was some huge infrastructure deficit is completely made up to support increased public spending.

However, the reality is that after Klein put Alberta in the black, the largest parts of all increased spending has gone towards public sector salaries, both provincially and locally. More days off, more pay, and better pensions than the private sector. CUPE seems to be spending more time advertising than ever before?

[Table 5]

I've only really known 3 mayors in my time in Calgary.

Al Duerr seemed like a really nice guy....who did absolutely nothing to move this city ahead.

Dave Bronconnier, despite coming across a bit smarmy, did get few things done.... as long as they benefited him and his developer pals. You always got the sense Dave was in it for Dave, not the city.

Nenshi to me has always come across as a policy/research geek who is doing this out of sheer passion for smart city building, and his tenure so far has showed that he makes decisions based on research and data. He's also presided over Calgary as it's transformed into a much more cosmopolitan and forward-thinking city, and made decisions that have helped to expedite that.

Oh, and yeah he's a know-it-all who doesn't know when to shut up.

I don't know if he's the best mayor Calgary has had, but he's definitely been the best mayor I've ever had. I think he's exactly the type of mayor that this city has needed...one who has some long-term vision based on sound research and best practises. If he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room, it's probably because he is. I don't need to have a beer with my mayor, I need him to captain my city forward.

[Bownesian]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Thank goodness for thanksgiving dinner.

I was one of those people at my thanksgiving dinner convincing people to consider Nenshi. I'm still net positive on the guy, but his partisan sniping in the last two elections and his scornful dismissal of opposing views have soured my opinion of him enough that my vote is 100% available.

Maybe that's just part of the life cycle of a politician, but it's certainly been made worse by following him on Twitter. My non-twitter wife is still 100% team Nenshi, and I haven't the heart to tell her about his dark side.

By contrast, I am more in Rempel's camp now than when I started following her twitter feed just after the last election. She is over the top for sure, but she engaging, smart, and dedicated with a keen sense of humour. She is unapologetic as a conservative and as a feminist, and takes the worst of the abuse she gets with a strong chin, while calling stuff like this out.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

By contrast, I am more in Rempel's camp now than when I started following her twitter feed just after the last election. She is over the top for sure, but she engaging, smart, and dedicated with a keen sense of humour.

Michelle Rempel is a spineless phony. She carried so much water for her party in the last election campaign that I'm surprised her back didn't give out and now that they lost she's run away from so much of what she was carrying. She's a political coward and I'm sincerely glad that Fartgate will likely be the apex of her career.

She's just a tool, maybe a useful tool to someone as she is social media savvy, but just a tool none-the-less.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Bownesian

I was one of those people at my thanksgiving dinner convincing people to consider Nenshi. I'm still net positive on the guy, but his partisan sniping in the last two elections and his scornful dismissal of opposing views have soured my opinion of him enough that my vote is 100% available.

Maybe that's just part of the life cycle of a politician, but it's certainly been made worse by following him on Twitter. My non-twitter wife is still 100% team Nenshi, and I haven't the heart to tell her about his dark side.

By contrast, I am more in Rempel's camp now than when I started following her twitter feed just after the last election. She is over the top for sure, but she engaging, smart, and dedicated with a keen sense of humour. She is unapologetic as a conservative and as a feminist, and takes the worst of the abuse she gets with a strong chin, while calling stuff like this out.

She was in the wrong on this one, and used the word "mansplaining" in an attempt to get us to forget about how uneducated her initial snipe was. I've a tough time seeing that as any sort of positive character trait.

[troutman]

Nenshi asks Rempel for ideas instead of insults, while she says drop the ego

Calgary mayor and MP continue to spar over solutions to city's property tax impact on suburban business

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...nues-1.3933345

"She spent hours tweeting and re-tweeting the most vicious personal attacks and insults against me," the mayor said Thursday, after several days of sparring with Rempel through social and traditional media.

"I've never seen a politician in Canada do anything like that before — you know, calling me an a-hole, calling me pathetic — for hours ... It's odd behaviour, so clearly she's not interested in actually talking about the issue with me."

[Slava]

There are a number of comments in the media now that suggest she is being courted to run against Nenshi in the fall. That would be really interesting.

[Fuzz]

From that article it almost sounds like she is considering a run at municipal politics, which would explain her behaviour.

Asked if her recent wade into municipal waters meant she was considering a run in the fall election for city council, Rempel didn't say yes or no.
"Right now I'm thinking about the people in this room," she replied, pointing to the gathering of her constituents.