[PGT] Flames beat Coyotes 4-2

[DJones]

Originally Posted by Locke

The real truth of the matter respective to Bouma and Hathaway is that we need them both.

What they do is hard to sustain.

Good point, if they take turns going 100% for the rest of the year I'd be happy.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Boy some of you are hard to please. That second goal on Elliot happens to the best of them, you think you have the puck and it trickles through, not what i would call a softie, it happens.

A goaltender needs to earn the benefit of the doubt. If that goal squeaks through a guy who's putting up a .920+ sv%, then you just need to shrug your shoulders and move on. Like you said, it happens. Elliott has been letting in a softie every start though, and he's got an .889 sv% on the season, so he's not allowed to flub shots like that. He hasn't earned that leeway.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

A goaltender needs to earn the benefit of the doubt. If that goal squeaks through a guy who's putting up a .920+ sv%, then you just need to shrug your shoulders and move on. Like you said, it happens. Elliott has been letting in a softie every start though, and he's got an .889 sv% on the season, so he's not allowed to flub shots like that. He hasn't earned that leeway.

His last four games have been solid.

The team let him down in NYI and Buffalo.

[sixpacked]

Originally Posted by DJones

His last four games have been solid.

The team let him down in NYI and Buffalo.

That's true!

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

A goaltender needs to earn the benefit of the doubt. If that goal squeaks through a guy who's putting up a .920+ sv%, then you just need to shrug your shoulders and move on. Like you said, it happens. Elliott has been letting in a softie every start though, and he's got an .889 sv% on the season, so he's not allowed to flub shots like that. He hasn't earned that leeway.

What was Elliott's save percentage last night? What was it over his last 3-4 games?

[Oling_Roachinen]

It was a weak goal by a goalie who hasn't had the greatest season yet. Not really sure what you're getting at trying to downplay how terrible of a goal that was to allow...but over his last 4 starts his save percentage is 0.897. Not exactly the greatest...

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

What was Elliott's save percentage last night? What was it over his last 3-4 games?

.926 last night
.909 over his last four games (Johnson is at .934 over his last 15)
.945 (5-on-5) over his last four games (Johnson is at .939 over his last 15)

Elliott's stats are skewed by the 3-on-3 deflection goal against the Islanders and the penalty kill meltdown against the Sabres.

The Rangers game was also a bit of a writeoff as Gulutzan decided to experiment with Kulak-Hamilton as a second pair against the hottest SH% offense in the NHL.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

.926 last night
.909 over his last four games (Johnson is at .934 over his last 15)
.945 (5-on-5) over his last four games (Johnson is at .939 over his last 15)

Elliott's stats are skewed by the 3-on-3 deflection goal against the Islanders and the penalty kill meltdown against the Sabres.

The Rangers game was also a bit of a writeoff as Gulutzan decided to experiment with Kulak-Hamilton as a second pair against the hottest SH% offense in the NHL.

Those are a lot of excuses. Other goalies have better stats too if you explain away their bad results.

IMO Elliott's stats are quite reflective of how he has played. Last night didn't sway me but he will undoubtedly get more chances.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Those are a lot of excuses. Other goalies have better stats too if you explain away their bad results.

Excuses? No, Elliott's stats are his stats. I'm merely pointing to why there is such a disparity between his 5v5 and all situation SV%. The Rangers game isn't even included in his stats (that would be five games ago).

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Excuses? No, Elliott's stats are his stats. I'm merely pointing to why there is such a disparity between his 5v5 and all situation SV%. The Rangers game isn't even included in his stats (that would be five games ago).

But stats can be presented in misleading ways. What are Elliot's last 15 game stats compared to Jonson's?

Etc...

[Party Elephant]

You can use statistics to prove anything. Fourmpteen percent of all people know that.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What would you call a softie?

Johnson?

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by D as in David

Johnson?

There's a pill for that.

[GioforPM]

It's obvious that Elliott made a terrible giveaway (though his teammates weren't a big help there) and a very soft goal. It's also understandable that he wasn't exactly in a groove either at the start (with no starts since the Isles game) and in the third (after having only 2 shots the whole second period). Hrudey warned about that lack of shots before the second goal. I also view mistake number one as a different animal than number two (puckhandling versus a terrible save).

I'm kind of amazed that his game was as good as it was - he could have easily folded after the first and the second gaffe.

My final thought is that neither of those mistakes were the kind that were worrisome in Elliott's game going in. I thought his puckhandling was fine (better than CJ's). And his goaltending issues were on slot shots.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bucksmasher

But stats can be presented in misleading ways. What are Elliot's last 15 game stats compared to Jonson's?

Etc...

GioforPM asked what Elliott's last four game stats were.
Johnson started his strong streak fifteen games ago (@MIN), which also correlates to the timeline for Elliott's last four games(@BUF/@NYI/TBL/@ARI).

If one wanted to cherry-pick stats to present them in misleading ways, they wouldn't include Elliott's @BUF game, or would include Johnson's @ANA game.

[calgaryblood]

The worst thing about a win is how posters can't analyze games anymore. If the Flames lose that in the shootout 3-2 because of that ugly goal, there is no defending Elliott. I re-watched every save he made last night, and while he made a couple nice saves (as all goalies do) he bobbled the puck on numerous easy shots that should have been swallowed up in his equipment and just looked shaky all night.

Win or lose last night he looked shaky. Thankfully it was against the weakest offence in the league or else it would have been a different story.

He didn't look good at all and the defending of him is because of the win which isn't how a goalie should be analyzed. The Coyotes had very few chances after the first and he still made the easy saves look hard and spit out several bad rebounds that the Coyotes weren't able to get in time.

Hopefully the win gives him confidence as we will need him down the stretch and he better be more ready than he was last night because instead of a bunch of third and fourth liners shooting on you, you're going to be facing much better players.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by belsarius

There's a pill for that.

Always figured they should have made it a lotion.

[Monahan For Mayor]

That 3rd PP goal was so pretty at ice level live. Fun game, but was Elliot as shaky on tv as he was live. Man he was scary to watch.

[Jaydee]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

Wouldn't be a Flames-Yotes game without a cheap shot by Doan.

The fact he was whiny about getting caught, and the Flames promptly scored the gwg on a beautiful tic-tac-toe was very satisfying.

Don't be a homer. That wasn't even close to an elbow

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by Jaydee

Don't be a homer. That wasn't even close to an elbow

Granted that wasn't a penalty I don't feel one bit sorry for the Coyotes or Doan after the refs neglected to give McGinn 5 and a game for that dirty stunt on Versteeg.

Also it was nice to see Gaudreau finally get a superstar call after all the BS hooking and holding he has to deal with on a nightly basis. I was at the game last night and he literally had a sticked draped all over him all night.