The Flames Expansion Draft Protection/Exposure/Exempt Thread

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

Based on the way Ferland has played, I agree.

However, from what I'm hearing in the media, by exposing Brouwer, Treliving would be admitting that the signing was a mistake. So essentially, Brouwer will be protected for Tre's pride.

At the expense of Ferland? No chance. Treliving's pride would take a much heavier beating from losing Ferland.

[Finger Cookin]

I see Flames management having a discussion with Brouwer about what not protecting him would mean and that he still fits into the Flames vision for the future way before they would avoid the conversation and protect him simply out of pride. Come on. Treliving is a consummate pro.

[Roof-Daddy]

What is this crap about BT doing things that may not be in the best interest of the team in order to protect his pride?

You mean like not buying out Raymond?
You mean like not firing Hartley 1 year after extending him?
You mean like not sending Bollig to the minors despite spending a draft pick acquiring him in a trade?

Things like that?

Oh wait....he did all those things.

Guy isn't in this for his pride, and certainly isn't afraid to admit when he's made a mistake as far as I can tell.

[MisterJoji]

So devils advocate, of Tre swings a deal with McPhee to not select Brouwer, Ferland or Lazar, who do they take? Young guy with potential (Shinkaruk)? Veteran presence (Stajan)? Grinder (Bouma)? Someone else?

[Finger Cookin]

Kulak and Shinkaruk seem most likely, strictly from evaluating who is available from the organization. Factor in every other player Vegas selects, and how they choose to build their roster, and things get murkier. Wotherspoon, Vey, Bouma, Stajan, and Culkin are potential picks, but probably longshots.

[Tinordi]

It's very likely both Brouwer and Lazar will be passed over in the expansion draft. But rest assured, those are the bottom two guys.

That's liable to change if the Flames make the playoffs and Brouwer decides to show up.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

So devils advocate, of Tre swings a deal with McPhee to not select Brouwer, Ferland or Lazar, who do they take? Young guy with potential (Shinkaruk)? Veteran presence (Stajan)? Grinder (Bouma)? Someone else?

I think Kulak. You can never have too many dmen.

Although I guess it would depend on who they select from other teams. One wrinkle, if I understand the expansion draft rules, is that they have to get to at least 60% of cap through the expansion draft. So probably around 44 million.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

So devils advocate, of Tre swings a deal with McPhee to not select Brouwer, Ferland or Lazar, who do they take? Young guy with potential (Shinkaruk)? Veteran presence (Stajan)? Grinder (Bouma)? Someone else?

I wouldn't be surprised to see Stajan go. He would be a solid veteran presence on their 3rd line and his cap hit is reasonable but will help the GK reach the cap floor.

A defence prospect like Wotherspoon or Kulak – steady but not flashy – would be a good move for them too.

Can't see them snagging Shinkaruk as his stats line doesn't really stick out as anything special in the AHL. There will be better options available elsewhere.

[killer_carlson]

Treliving trades McPhee an asset to sign Derek Engelland, who has strong ties to the Las Vegas market to begin with.

Problem solved.

What is the asset?

Any of: Klimchuk, Poirier, Shinkaruk, Stajan, Bouma, McDonald, Smith, Kanzig, etc

[Fire]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

Treliving trades McPhee an asset to sign Derek Engelland, who has strong ties to the Las Vegas market to begin with.

Problem solved.

What is the asset?

Any of: Klimchuk, Poirier, Shinkaruk, Stajan, Bouma, McDonald, Smith, Kanzig, etc

Why would Vegas do that? If Engelland wants to sign with Las Vegas they can do that after July 1st and they can still pick any unprotected player they want from the Flames.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Fire

Why would Vegas do that? If Engelland wants to sign with Las Vegas they can do that after July 1st and they can still pick any unprotected player they want from the Flames.

They will probably have to pay Engelland a lot more after July 1. As someone mentioned above, he could also prove to be really useful in their efforts to recruit other UFAs.

[killer_carlson]

They could do that, you're right but I think teams will pay a premium for the certainty.

Maybe they get a draft pick as well?

[Classic_Sniper]

Brouwer shouldn't be protected nor should Treliving feel any pressure to protect him in any way. He's getting paid $4.5M per season and his play hasn't garnered anywhere near that evaluation. He also didn't negotiate a NMC in his contract so he shouldn't really be surprised by the potential of being exposed.

I doubt he is picked up anyway from Las Vegas as his contract would probably be a burden on them. I know I'm beinf harsh on Brouwer, but the NHL is a business and Treliving's job is on line. He owes Brouwer nothing and his play hasn't earned defense up to date. I do hope he improves his play down the stretch though to quiet down detractors like myself though.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Brouwer shouldn't be protected nor should Treliving feel any pressure to protect him in any way. He's getting paid $4.5M per season and his play hasn't garnered anywhere near that evaluation. He also didn't negotiate a NMC in his contract so he shouldn't really be surprised by the potential of being exposed.

I doubt he is picked up anyway from Las Vegas as his contract would probably be a burden on them. I know I'm beinf harsh on Brouwer, but the NHL is a business and Treliving's job is on line. He owes Brouwer nothing and his play hasn't earned defense up to date. I do hope he improves his play down the stretch though to quiet down detractors like myself though.

Treliving will be extended before the expansion draft takes place.

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Brouwer shouldn't be protected nor should Treliving feel any pressure to protect him in any way. He's getting paid $4.5M per season and his play hasn't garnered anywhere near that evaluation. He also didn't negotiate a NMC in his contract so he shouldn't really be surprised by the potential of being exposed.

I doubt he is picked up anyway from Las Vegas as his contract would probably be a burden on them. I know I'm beinf harsh on Brouwer, but the NHL is a business and Treliving's job is on line. He owes Brouwer nothing and his play hasn't earned defense up to date. I do hope he improves his play down the stretch though to quiet down detractors like myself though.

Agree fully. Its a business. Fair is fair.

Brouwer is not earning full 4.5 million contract if a 3RW or 4RW so let him go if LV wants him. More cap space for us. Brouwer just needs to look in mirror if upset with Flames not protecting him.

Ferland and Lazar have more upside at this stage requiring protection. Of course the last 19 games might change our views.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Treliving will be extended before the expansion draft takes place.

Treliving's job is naturally always on the line being employed in a "hired until you're fired" role. Each decision he makes has a direct impact on his performance. He has to make a rational decision, not an emotional one is what I'm getting at.

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Brouwer shouldn't be protected nor should Treliving feel any pressure to protect him in any way. He's getting paid $4.5M per season and his play hasn't garnered anywhere near that evaluation. He also didn't negotiate a NMC in his contract so he shouldn't really be surprised by the potential of being exposed.

I doubt he is picked up anyway from Las Vegas as his contract would probably be a burden on them. I know I'm beinf harsh on Brouwer, but the NHL is a business and Treliving's job is on line. He owes Brouwer nothing and his play hasn't earned defense up to date. I do hope he improves his play down the stretch though to quiet down detractors like myself though.

I agree. Although replacing Brouwer is difficult even if he isn't playing up to the level of his contract, it doesn't make much sense to protect him. Not much gained or lost either way, relative to exposing the other pieces of the puzzle

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by AC

I agree... but I don't see the Flames exposing Ferland or Lazar now either.

I think the best course of action will be to trade Vegas an asset, or if they sign Engelland instead.

I don't see them exposimg those two either.

During the press conference said Lazar will be here for many years when asked this question.

He said they were well aware of the upcoming draft and they have a plan put into place that he would be here many years to come.

[Flash Walken]

I would protect Ferland for the following reasons:

1) I would not want to play him throughout the year. He's legitimately dangerous and a guy like Brodie would probably be victimized quickly.
2) He has hands enough but lacks the consistency right now to make him a low cost high reward player.
3) 3 zone playoff performer.

Going forward as the Flames look to legitimately compete/contend high-value contracts are going to be the name of the game. If you can get Lazar and Ferland signed for a combined 2.5 million or so that could be huge for the organization.

[Canada 02]

Vegas GM, McPhee traded a 1st round pick for Brouwer and had him with the Caps for 4 seasons; just sayin