[Trade] Yakupov to St. Louis for conditional 3rd + Zach Pochiro

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

you do know Versteeg almost had twice as many goals as Yakupov did last year right?

Great. He can tap in passes. Can he create offense?

Versteeg had 14 secondary assists last season, 61% of his assists and 37% of his point total.

Half of McDavid's assists last year were secondary assists. 33% of his total points were secondary assists.

Hall and Yakupov combined had 19 secondary assists combined last season, 35% of their 54 total assists last season and only 22% of their combined point total.

[Poe969]

I would have also accepted "ya, but he still sucks"

Versteeg is a perfect oiler because he's no good. Lucic is going to look so slow out there that tell bring down McJesus point totals. I believe the oilers will somehow be worse than this year.

[Dion]

Jeremy Rutherford@jprutherford
2hOne more on Yak from Hitch: "We don't need him to run the power play, we don't need him to come and light the lamp every night. (1/2)

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@jprutherford Hitch cont'd: "We just need him to fit in and keep working hard and we'll get a chance to hopefully teach him the rest of the stuff." (2/2)



Jeremy Rutherford
@jprutherford Hitch: "There's always a perception when you get drafted high that you should be 'this or that.' I'm not into what he's supposed to be (1/2)



Jeremy Rutherford
@jprutherford Hitch cont'd: "I watched him play against us and I got a feel what he is as a player. I think there's a fit with us the way he is right now"

[powderjunkie]

I see 600-1300 out of Yak now.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

you are right, not sure how on Earth we can replace a combined 35 goals from Hall and Yakupov...oh right, Lucic, Versteeg, a healthy McDavid should do it

and people are crapping on Chiarelli like he's dismantling a winning team....

I believe that the Oilers forward group is going to be worse this year. You have some nice depth at center, in McDavid Draisaitl (even though he pulled a great disappearing act last year in the second half) and Hopkins. But suddenly after Lucic (slow and aging) and Eberle (1 way softer then really nice 3 ply butt paper). Your wings suddenly look sub par, and slow, but OMG Chia reached into the past because he wanted Truculance.

Sure you're better on the blueline, but compared to the real competitors in the West, its not even close to a good blueline.

Look, I like Russell he's a great guy, but as a blueliner, he's a real great guy. Outside of Larsson, and who knows what you're going to get there, its still not a great blueline or even a average blueline.

Its great that you guys blundered into McDavid, its awesome, but you Oilers fans are starting to sound like Flames fans when we had Iggy, who was one of the best players in the game and not much else. And we had this belief that one player could turn the tides. But guess what? It didn't, and the Oilers are in the same boat. McWenis alone won't be able to turn the tide for that train wreck you call a team. Sure on some nights he might make you believe it, but overall, your team is going to be to weak, have too many passengers, have an over reliance on "toughness", a meh blueline an over taxed goalie and a massively over rated coach to fight against.

Accept your fate, that your team is just institutionally bad, poor, meh, nertz, terrible, horrible and frankly no damn good. Learn to live with it, take up a hobby like making phallus type statues out of clay or making lego ships in bottles and everything will be ok.

[Locke]

I find the HF thread more than hilarious.

"He's going to score more than 15 on STL so its Pochiro and a 2nd! Thats a steal!!"

Um...he was #1 overall. You could have picked absolutely ANYONE with that pick and you chose him.

So, no, ditching him for a scrub and the opportunity to choose someone else much later on in a different draft is hardly a home run.

"You can take the boat...or the mystery box..."

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

you are right, not sure how on Earth we can replace a combined 35 goals from Hall and Yakupov...oh right, Lucic, Versteeg, a healthy McDavid should do it

and people are crapping on Chiarelli like he's dismantling a winning team....

Has Versteeg signed? I thought he was only on a PTO.

Right now you've lost Hall and Yakupov and replaced them with Lucic.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I believe that the Oilers forward group is going to be worse this year. You have some nice depth at center, in McDavid Draisaitl (even though he pulled a great disappearing act last year in the second half) and Hopkins. But suddenly after Lucic (slow and aging) and Eberle (1 way softer then really nice 3 ply butt paper). Your wings suddenly look sub par, and slow, but OMG Chia reached into the past because he wanted Truculance.

Sure you're better on the blueline, but compared to the real competitors in the West, its not even close to a good blueline.

Look, I like Russell he's a great guy, but as a blueliner, he's a real great guy. Outside of Larsson, and who knows what you're going to get there, its still not a great blueline or even a average blueline.

Its great that you guys blundered into McDavid, its awesome, but you Oilers fans are starting to sound like Flames fans when we had Iggy, who was one of the best players in the game and not much else. And we had this belief that one player could turn the tides. But guess what? It didn't, and the Oilers are in the same boat. McWenis alone won't be able to turn the tide for that train wreck you call a team. Sure on some nights he might make you believe it, but overall, your team is going to be to weak, have too many passengers, have an over reliance on "toughness", a meh blueline an over taxed goalie and a massively over rated coach to fight against.

Accept your fate, that your team is just institutionally bad, poor, meh, nertz, terrible, horrible and frankly no damn good. Learn to live with it, take up a hobby like making phallus type statues out of clay or making lego ships in bottles and everything will be ok.

Sage advice from a fan of 26th place hockey team...congrats on being the tallest midget I guess
Let's just hope Gulitzan works out better in Calgary than he did in Dallas and little Johnny tones down his contract demands before the season starts because cracking on low-hanging fruit than patting yourself on the back about it may be the least of your concerns

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Sage advice from a fan of 26th place hockey team...congrats on being the tallest midget I guess
Let's just hope Gulitzan works out better in Calgary than he did in Dallas and little Johnny tones down his contract demands before the season starts because cracking on low-hanging fruit than patting yourself on the back about it may be the least of your concerns

I know you've been asked this, but any do you visit this thread? It's really strange

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Sage advice from a fan of 26th place hockey team...congrats on being the tallest midget I guess
Let's just hope Gulitzan works out better in Calgary than he did in Dallas and little Johnny tones down his contract demands before the season starts because cracking on low-hanging fruit than patting yourself on the back about it may be the least of your concerns

Congratulations on doing the typical Oiler deflection thing and trying to make this about the Flames.

I'm not bragging on behalf of the Flames puddin, or doing a comparison here. I'm just telling you the fact, that your team is horrible, will continue to be horrible, will be horrible for a long time.

That has nothing to do with the Flames.

The only thing that I firmly believe is that Oiler fans have witnessed unholy bad hockey for so long that they have gone into this state of denial which adds up to any change being an awesome, spectacular, shiny pony level of change. They live in a world of delusion where one player even if he is a very good player will suddenly propel that pile of stank that is the Oilers to becoming a competitive team, because you believe that there is some kind of weighted balance point that makes him balance out how tremendously bad, badly put together, badly designed and badly outfitted that team to the north is.

That has nothing to do with the Flames.

We as fans here aren't lying to ourselves, we know that the team completely stank out last year due to a combination of bad goaltending, bad coaching, holes in the lineup, poor management decisions etc. I don't see Flames fans making excuses or lying to themselves about it, and sitting here with a whole silly line of logic about injuries being the problem, when the problem is that the Oilers are so thin and realistically crappily built and badly drafted outside of top 5 picks that if a single player blows a hangnail that your team is done. We don't ignore bad players and come up with the last 4 successive coaches ruined that player.

But Oiler fans like you do, and no amount of pharmaceutical drugs, or regression therapy or electro-shock therapy can fix that for you. For you ABOil, down is up, low is high, and everything needs to be deflected.

This isn't about a comparison of the Flames to the Oilers (Frankly as bad as we are though, its funny that we're still better then the badly built, and managed and stocked and coached team to the North), its about the Oilers in a vacuum that's so bad that no other franchise in history no matter how bad can even look at it with sympathy anymore.

The proper thing to do frankly, is to treat the new building up North like an ancient pyramid. Hustle the Oiler players and management team and coaching staff into the building and seal all the exits. And then for the next several thousand years, allow tourists who cheer for other teams to point at that building and say, this is the ancient pyramid of tremendous no good, and incompetence and laugh. And then we can send in archeologists to study it and explore it and tell us stories that this is like the roman empire, a mysterious and somewhat stupid group of people who managed through laziness, entitlement, stupidity and incompetence deserved to fade from history and only be remembered in relation to chortles, guffaws and outright laughter.

[browna]

Ever since you saw the glazed look early in the year, which turned into the late season rant from McLellan, you knew that somehow two or three of these guys were going to be traded...and that they likely already had been shopped around, for the paltry return.

It's now happened, and probably would like one more out the door at least. Return was always going to be crap, it was just a matter of timing and making sure there were other bouncing balls to keep the fans and the media distracted from the outright failure of the Oilers organization to turn very good junior players into anything more then average forwards, years on. Day of Subban trade and Stamkos signing to get rid of Hall? Check. Late Friday afternoon before the season starts, just after naming McDavid captain and with TSN asking "Will McDavid win the scoring title"? Check. The annual early October gag-inducing stroking of the Oilers appears again, for some press to make bold statement hoping that this is the year they're finally right and for gratuitous page clicks, but in general it is a good time to quietly dump another top overall failure pick without too much blowback.

Chiarelli did have to clean up the mess where Lowe singlehandedly put the team into the toilet with him trying far too hard to think he knew everything about talent, coaching, motivation, player development and discipline etc etc, and tried his hardest to be Glen Sather 2.0. Yak and Hall, I think next year, will start to emerge, but all that talent and hope they had in junior has been covered over by years of Oiler filth, comprised of demotivation, lack of systems, lack of leadership and accountability top to bottom in the organization certainly under Lowe, so who knows what's left to really salvage 3-4 years later as they're that much older now and missed so much intangible and tangible development that most higher draft picks get.

[SuperMatt18]

Really the 2012 draft was bad but the Oilers still screwed it ip.

Forsberg looks like he could be a star. Galchenyuk scored 30 last year. Reilly, Lindholm, and Trouba look like studs defensively. Murray is coming along after injury issues early in his career. Pouliot and Dumba still could be good. After the top 11 that draft was soft but there were still good players in the top 10.

The Oilers took the flyers on the two worst guys in that top 10 in Yakupov and Reinhart.

[thefoss1957]

Awful trade by the Oil...They could have gotten, at least, an NHL ready guy, if they had retained salary and dealt to the 'Hawks...

Now looking at Yak...I think the Blues won't be the best situation for his landing...a bit of turnover in team leadership, and a season under a lame duck coach will make things a little unsettled...especially with the byzantine hiring of Hitches replacement as an Assistant...still, though, the guy is right, St. Loo is BETTER than the Oil.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Yakasenko

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by AlbertaOiler72

Sage advice from a fan of 26th place hockey team...congrats on being the tallest midget I guess
Let's just hope Gulitzan works out better in Calgary than he did in Dallas and little Johnny tones down his contract demands before the season starts because cracking on low-hanging fruit than patting yourself on the back about it may be the least of your concerns

Lol... aww man, u bitter. Don't worry, all things eventually pass, so too will the lack of competent hockey management seen in Edmonton for decades. Perhaps next decade ?

[bubbsy]

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-...hing/191/79742

Hahaha

[FireItUp]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Matt-...hing/191/79742

Hahaha

Best part of that was...

Oilers traded former 1st Overall pick Nail Yakupov for some navel lint and disc 2 of the final season of Lost on DVD

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Really the 2012 draft was bad but the Oilers still screwed it ip.

Forsberg looks like he could be a star. Galchenyuk scored 30 last year. Reilly, Lindholm, and Trouba look like studs defensively. Murray is coming along after injury issues early in his career. Pouliot and Dumba still could be good. After the top 11 that draft was soft but there were still good players in the top 10.

The Oilers took the flyers on the two worst guys in that top 10 in Yakupov and Reinhart.

That's revisionist history. Yakupov may not have been a consensus #1 OA, but he was a consensus top-3. The Oilers didn't go off the board drafting him. It was a weak draft, and the Oilers handled Yakupov's development badly, because that's what the Oilers do.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I hope he scores 30+ this season now.

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Best part of that was...

This might be the best part...

I hope that the Oilers have a deal in place for Versteeg because Puljujarvi has done nothing in camp that suggests he’s NHL ready.

Pool Party a no go? Doubt the Oilers care, in you go on the top line.