What are your thoughts on Glen Gulutzan's system?

[troutman]

28th in GAA. 30th in PP%.

Hopefully just growing pains.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by troutman

28th in GAA. 30th in PP%.

Hopefully just growing pains.

Feels like we're growing on top of a broken glass disposal facility.

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by nik-

Feels like we're growing on top of a broken glass disposal facility.

Feels like this date one year ago. What are they rebuilding?

[FlamesAddiction]

Does anyone think Gulutzan was actually Treliving's first choice? Personally, I don't think so. I think he had someone else in mind and it fell through, then he went down his list until he landed on Gulutzan. Just a hunch based on the timeline and the chronology that other coaching candidates were signed by other teams.

[dustygoon]

You can pick on a few guys, but generally the whole team is a mess. Goaltender on out including PP and PK. How can this not be viewed as a fail by coaching staff?

And here is why the assurance of "it takes time to adjust to new system" is garbage:

If they knew this would be this tough, then they either should....

1) start with a super simple defensive system (off the glass and chip it in) and make changes gradually through first 25 games or

2) if they have so much conviction in "the system", then stick with the changes. Ride out the Brodie on LD and separated from Gio experiment. They didn't have the brass ones to stick it out for even a 2nd game! Terrible leadership to quit on that idea that quickly.

[Southside]

This team needs to get away from home. Too bad the upcoming road trip is just a B2B 2 gamer in Chicago and St. Louis. But then it is back home for Washington and Ottawa followed by a good week away from home with a trip back to Chicago and on to the West Coast with stops in San Jose, LA and Anaheim. That will have us at the 14 game mark and having played all division rivals once.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Does anyone think Gulutzan was actually Treliving's first choice? Personally, I don't think so. I think he had someone else in mind and it fell through, then he went down his list until he landed on Gulutzan. Just a hunch based on the timeline and the chronology that other coaching candidates were signed by other teams.

Timing wise, it was clear that Boudreau was the target, but behind the scenes something fell through or never materialized (likely Minnesota offered more money). At the same time, we knew based on the exit comments that Treleving and Hartley did not see eye to eye at all.

It could be worse, we could have Carlyle (who is somehow destroying the Ducks).

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Southside

This team needs to get away from home. Too bad the upcoming road trip is just a B2B 2 gamer in Chicago and St. Louis. But then it is back home for Washington and Ottawa followed by a good week away from home with a trip back to Chicago and on to the West Coast with stops in San Jose, LA and Anaheim. That will have us at the 14 game mark and having played all division rivals once.

Dear god. I hadn't really looked at the schedule yet. This season could legitimately be cooked by Remembrance Day.

[Southside]

Originally Posted by nik-

Dear god. I hadn't really looked at the schedule yet. This season could legitimately be cooked by Remembrance Day.

Yeah. We wasted the early part of the schedule.

[Igottago]

Gulutzan doesn't strike me as much of a motivator. Say what you will about Hartley but he certainly had presence on the team and behind the bench.

Still early yes, but pre-season plus the start so far has been very poor. Instead of a new coaching staff breathing new life into the team it seems to be having the opposite effect.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Gulutzan doesn't strike me as much of a motivator. Say what you will about Hartley but he certainly had presence on the team and behind the bench.

Still early yes, but pre-season plus the start so far has been very poor. Instead of a new coaching staff breathing new life into the team it seems to be having the opposite effect.

It looks like there is a real disconnect between the players, the coach and possibly management. I thought the players liked and respected Hartley and maybe his firing created a lot of disdain between some players and Treliving. As such, some guys might not be buying into Gulutzan and are essentially just going through the motions day to day until something snaps.

This is what Brad said after hiring Gulutzan:

“This is an individual who is smart,” Treliving said. “He’s intelligent about the game, tactically, structurally. The interpersonal skills is what jumped out to me … his ability to communicate to people, his ability to drive players, and ultimately at the end of the day from my perspective, to maximize the ability each player has, the team has. That’s the most important quality for a coach.

“We did our homework, the one thing that kept coming back … we talked to all sorts of people that were around Glen in certain areas at certain times of his life, at certain stops, and it was not only the coach but the person who was drilled home.

“A very special person; a very special coach.”

[automaton 3]

Iirc the rumors were that several of the players complained about Hartley in exit interviews. He is demanding and pushes buttons, and that wore on some of the players.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by automaton 3

Iirc the rumors were that several of the players complained about Hartley in exit interviews. He is demanding and pushes buttons, and that wore on some of the players.

So what does the team and players have now instead? A soft coach with a long leash that doesn't hold players accountable?

[Igottago]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

So what does the team and players have now instead? A soft coach with a long leash that doesn't hold players accountable?

People used to complain about the Iginla led teams being a country club...well at least they were established veterans.

So now we've got 23 and under players already expecting country club coaching?

[saillias]

IDK what Gulutzan's system is

Too much judgment and "analysis" though about how he looks on the bench. He could be standing there sucking his thumb and his other hand scratching his crotch and if he's a good coach he's a good coach. And vice versa. Looking at a guy on TV and how he stands on the bench is not a legit way to judge a coach.

[automaton 3]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

So what does the team and players have now instead? A soft coach with a long leash that doesn't hold players accountable?

Yep, it is looking that way.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Igottago

People used to complain about the Iginla led teams being a country club...well at least they were established veterans.

So now we've got 23 and under players already expecting country club coaching?

The young guys need a coach that will lead, guide, push and develop them which is what I thought Hartley was providing and it seemed effective. Some players may not like that too much but it is necessary because otherwise you turn into the Oilers that we saw over the last 6 seasons where the kids could do whatever they wanted and it sunk the team as a whole and their own individual development.

[colbym72]

Long leash that doesn't hold players accountable? Didn't he bench our two worst players after two games?

[Leeman4Gilmour]

Not sure, but I hope the players figure it out before I do.......

[Psytic]

If we finish bottom six again I think it may be time to take a page out of the Oilers book sadly and move on from some of the young guys. We made fun of the Oilers for hanging on to some of their young players for too long. We may have to do a similar swap to get the culture where we want it if there's already a country club at their age.

It's not easy trading guys with a ton of potential but sometimes its necessary to get peices that fit better. I'm starting to wonder if be weisbrod and feaster weren't idiots after all. It's like the team has been going down hill since they left. Not that I dislike the team on paper but I feel they have underperformed this year and last with what they have.

First thing though Is to get an expierenced coach I feel GG is a step down from Hartley.