08-09-2016, 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by blankall
I realize that. It just seems odd that this movie needs to earn so many times more above the production budget to break even, compared with other movies. There was lots of marketing for this film, but it couldn't have been that extreme. Some anonymous insider declaring that this movie needs to take in $800 million to break even is hardly gospel.
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Yeah, that doesnt make sense to me. The actual production budget was ~$200M but it needs to crack $800M in order to break even?
That would be a pretty terrible investment if it has to over Quadruple its production budget just to not lose money.
Those are like Casino odds.
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08-09-2016, 10:50 AM
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#142
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Originally Posted by Since1984
I saw it last night and I found it to be much better than Batman V Superman but still DC needs to pick it up. I enjoyed as a simple popcorn action/comic book movie. Yes it has its issues but it isn't the worst movie I have seen in awhile.
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The real problem is that this is now how we judge movies. I'm not blaming you 1984, just saying that the studios have lowered our expectations with their crappy product.
It sucked but hey, it's better than a poke in the eye with a pointed stick!
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08-09-2016, 10:53 AM
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#143
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Originally Posted by Locke
Yeah, that doesnt make sense to me. The actual production budget was ~$200M but it needs to crack $800M in order to break even?
That would be a pretty terrible investment if it has to over Quadruple its production budget just to not lose money.
Those are like Casino odds.
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I don't think the $200M was the final cost. This movie was a disaster production wise.
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08-09-2016, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by polak
I don't think the $200M was the final cost. This movie was a disaster production wise.
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Well if it cost them more than that to make a movie about largely unrecognized anti-heroes in a popcorn flick then they best be prepared to take a bath.
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08-09-2016, 11:05 AM
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The general rule is a movie has to earn three times the budget to make money. So for Suicide Squad that's $600 million and they're already 2/3 of the way there. It won't be a disaster financially. BvS was just way too expensive at $250 million, at least they kept it under $200 million for Suicide Squad. If anything we'll be seeing these budgets getting cheaper and cheaper going forward.
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08-09-2016, 11:12 AM
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Are my budgetary expectations way off?
In my mind $200M+ is a blockbuster. That is a huge amount of money for a film.
For instance, Star Wars I think cost $190M and obviously made a huge amount of money, how is Suicide Squad costing $200M?
BvS was a blockbuster, had lots of characters/actors and seem to go on forever, so yeah, its budget is going to be higher, but it was also supposed to be a Franchise Flagship project.
What did the Avengers movies cost to make?
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08-09-2016, 11:26 AM
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200 Million is a tentpole (Star Wars, Batman, Avengers...etc). They're expected to make more than a billion. Anything north of 100 million is a blockbuster (Nolan movies, big time sequels...etc)
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08-09-2016, 11:28 AM
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Will Smith is pretty much a given to be making a $20 million salary for this movie. Leto with an Oscar bumps his price up a good chunk. Wouldn't surprise me if the cost on the cast alone was around $40-50 million, which drags things down on the budget side.
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08-09-2016, 11:29 AM
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I'm also not sure if these released Production Budgets include any overages.
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08-09-2016, 11:55 AM
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Any thoughts on Leto's Joker? I've read some very mixed reviews.
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08-09-2016, 12:08 PM
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In the interviews I've seen, Leto seems genuinely pissed off at how much Joker was cut. It seems like they shot a lot of him. Maybe Affleck will use it for Batman.
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08-09-2016, 12:13 PM
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In the interviews I've seen, Leto seems genuinely pissed off at how much Joker was cut. It seems like they shot a lot of him. Maybe Affleck will use it for Batman.
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Isnt it over two hours long already? How much footage did they have?
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08-09-2016, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis
Will Smith is pretty much a given to be making a $20 million salary for this movie. Leto with an Oscar bumps his price up a good chunk. Wouldn't surprise me if the cost on the cast alone was around $40-50 million, which drags things down on the budget side.
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Will Smith also has a percentage of revenues in most of his contracts, So he makes 20 up front and another 20 on the back end. I remember a few years back that there was no way to make MIB 3 because Smith, Tommy Lee Jones, and Spielbergs profit take added up to more than 100%.
The Movie industry has quite complex accounting. All we see is cost/box office, but the money is diluted and flowing through many channels it's hard to really know what is and isn't a success. You'll really only know if it made money if they make a sequel. haha.
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08-09-2016, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke
Isnt it over two hours long already? How much footage did they have?
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Most movies end up with a lot of footage they don't use.
Nolan said he had enough footage of Ledger to do an entire third film with him. I wouldn't be surprised if most first cuts, especially for movies like this, push 4 hours.
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08-09-2016, 12:49 PM
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Leto actually has been quoted as saying that if he died tomorrow they could definitely make a solo Joker movie with the amount of footage that was shot for Suicide Squad. He also said he was disappointed from the start this movie wasn't R rated and that they cut a lot of scenes he felt were his strongest. Don't care to look up the source but I think it was on Comic Book Resources.
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08-09-2016, 12:49 PM
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Saw it and I actually kind of enjoyed it.
All the reviews set my expectations super low, but Harley and Deadshot were really good. Joker was a bit of a train wreak and the main villain pretty lame, but the action was okay.
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08-09-2016, 01:15 PM
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#157
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Originally Posted by J pold
Any thoughts on Leto's Joker? I've read some very mixed reviews.
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One of the best things about the film. Right balance between believably dangerous and comic book crazy. I can see how working for this Joker would be a ton of fun. If you were a total sociopath that is 
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08-09-2016, 01:34 PM
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08-09-2016, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Itse
One of the best things about the film. Right balance between believably dangerous and comic book crazy. I can see how working for this Joker would be a ton of fun. If you were a total sociopath that is |
Agreed. I was really shocked to read negative reviews. I assume a lot of that has to be from people who feel anything less than Heath Ledger is not good enough.
Leto played Joker pretty much like I'd expect. A little more gangster maybe but just about the right mix of dangerous and crazy.
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08-09-2016, 03:53 PM
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Was not a fan of Leto's Joker, but just my own take on it. Seemed to have a bit too much over the top crazy.
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