Where do you see the Flames rebuild at now?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Nope. You wrote it, I quoted you looking for an answer. If you don't want to answer it that's fine, just say so. Don't try to re-direct it to someone else.

Really ....

IMO there is 0% change that Kylington at 21 (or pretty much any age) moves Hamilton out of the top 4 or off the roster as GranteedEV suggests.

There you have it. Hope it lets you sleep well tonight

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Really ....

IMO there is 0% change that Kylington at 21 (or pretty much any age) moves Hamilton out of the top 4 oroff the roster as GranteedEV suggests.

No where did I suggest that. Please stop saying that I did. My post may have had some poor wording but contextually should still be obvious I was talking about Kylington being second on the depth chart which would still leave both Hamilton and Giordano in the top four. One player cannot move a player two or three spots down a depth chart.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

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Oliver Kylington is 21 years old
I alluded to Giordano-Kulak as recreating stylistic elements of Giordano-Brodie in a protected role... well this is the same deal, except on overdrive as Kylington is simply more comparable to Brodie from a raw talent stand point. Kylington even as a 21 year old could very well push Mark Giordano to the #4 spot on our depth chart - and that is a good thing. Heck Kylington could push Hamilton out of our depth chart. Whatever upwards trend he does or doesn't take - even being competent as simply a good partner for Giordano with Giordano's experience and details and Kylington's speed/skill is an enticing middle pair. Brouwer's + Frolik's contracts run out just as Kylington's should, so I don't believe we should anticipate too much difficulty retaining the two of Kylington/Brodie in that off season.

Direct quote

In what world would this not be interpreted as your opinion being that Kylington could force Hamilton out of the depth chart? That is exactly what you posted.

I cam't engage in any further discussions with you as your positions and opinions change from post to post.

[GranteedEV]

Oh my God.

Obviously it was a mistake in an obviously long post that was not proof-read, that was intended to say something along the lines of "Heck Kylington could even push Hamilton out of second/third on our depth chart. "

How could you discern that without me spelling it out for what is now the third time?

Common sense, because one player can not by definition move another player two or more spots down a depth chart, which is what you keep idiotically implying.

[edslunch]

I see Wideman as the last remaining bargaining chip from the pre-rebuild team - when he is traded, probably at the deadline, it will be the last 'rebuild deal'. Everything after that point including trades will just be regular hockey operations.

[cannon7]

I had higher hopes last summer about the Flames competitiveness than I do this summer but that was based on a few assumptions that didn't really pan out. I thought that Hudler and Hiller/Ramo would at the very least remain close to their 14/15 play, obviously that didn't happen. I expected Giordano to need time for his play to bounce back as his injury was pretty serious, but I under estimated the effect that would have on the team and over estimated the immediate impact that Hamilton would have -- both had similarly rocky starts to the season. All the above kind of left the Flames in quite a hole after ~25 games and it took them well into 2016 to get to .500 hockey.

This summer I'm looking at the roster and seeing a lot of holes. I can only hope that Elliott brings stability between the pipes and that Brouwer brings a much needed element to the Flames' top six. But even so, I still think the Flames are missing a top six RW and possibly a top six LW (assuming Tkachuk needs to ripen). Bennett needs quality lines mates, Johnny/Sean need an RW who at the very least won't get in their way (assuming that's Brouwer for now). Barring more trades I just don't think it is realistic to expect anyone from the Flames' prospect pool to just step into the Flames top six. Have high hopes for the likes of Tkachuk and Jankowski but I still am very uncertain about how competitive the Flames forward corps will be this upcoming season.

On the blueline things look a bit better, if the Flames can get a full season of solid play from Giordano and Hamilton that will help a lot.

[Gaskal]

Guys, it's all cool.

What ricardo is really trying to say is that he fully supports Frolik going forward as a key player in the championship core with a great-value contract, and that Dougie will likely become a Norris-winning first-pairing defenceman within a few years.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Bingo

This may becoming the single dumbest topic I've read on the site in a while ...

The dumber the topic, the better the business!

Imagine how bumpin' this place would be if moon and WhereRUChrisO'Sullivan were still around! A veritable gold mine.

[Vulcan]

Where I see the holes are at Bennett's line. If Shinkaruk or Tkachuk can fill that LW spot, that will give our lines some balance. Bouma, Chiasson and Ferland, maybe even Vey can be interchangeable on Bennett's or Backlund's lines as the third forward and provide some muscle and hopefully a little scoring.

I think now is the time to give one of our rookies a chance on Bennett's line. The rest of the team, defence and goal tending, seems pretty well set and should compete for the playoffs.

One of the biggest loses last season was their mindset moved from winners to losers. This needs to change and it's a big challenge for our new coaching staff.

[monkeyman]

In my mind, A rebuild isn't done with a single season winning record or making the playoffs, those are just bonuses. It's about establishing a system of drafting and developing players to ensure your team is competitive year after year. Drafting and developing well gives you more options and flexibility when making trades. It also helps the team fill roles for less money, not having to rely on the free agent market to fill those same roles.
The Flames system was so diminished in this regard it's going to to be three or four years before we can truly declare the rebuild over and determine if it's been successful or not.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

I had higher hopes last summer about the Flames competitiveness than I do this summer but that was based on a few assumptions that didn't really pan out. I thought that Hudler and Hiller/Ramo would at the very least remain close to their 14/15 play, obviously that didn't happen. I expected Giordano to need time for his play to bounce back as his injury was pretty serious, but I under estimated the effect that would have on the team and over estimated the immediate impact that Hamilton would have -- both had similarly rocky starts to the season. All the above kind of left the Flames in quite a hole after ~25 games and it took them well into 2016 to get to .500 hockey.

This summer I'm looking at the roster and seeing a lot of holes. I can only hope that Elliott brings stability between the pipes and that Brouwer brings a much needed element to the Flames' top six. But even so, I still think the Flames are missing a top six RW and possibly a top six LW (assuming Tkachuk needs to ripen). Bennett needs quality lines mates, Johnny/Sean need an RW who at the very least won't get in their way (assuming that's Brouwer for now). Barring more trades I just don't think it is realistic to expect anyone from the Flames' prospect pool to just step into the Flames top six. Have high hopes for the likes of Tkachuk and Jankowski but I still am very uncertain about how competitive the Flames forward corps will be this upcoming season.

On the blueline things look a bit better, if the Flames can get a full season of solid play from Giordano and Hamilton that will help a lot.

The good news is that the Flames' holes used to be on D depth and down the middle and in goal. I'm much less concerned about a lack of winger depth.

[Bingo]

I wonder if the Flames may look back on burning that Bennett year as saving them a bit of money.

I would guess he's better this year, but very productive by next season. Having his contract come off this year likely gets him on a bridge contract, or at least more likely than if he put up 40 points this year, then 65 next year and then had to be signed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I wonder if the Flames may look back on burning that Bennett year as saving them a bit of money.

I would guess he's better this year, but very productive by next season. Having his contract come off this year likely gets him on a bridge contract, or at least more likely than if he put up 40 points this year, then 65 next year and then had to be signed.

Yup. And it probably works out that way as often as not (maybe even more often).

At the time, everyone worries about burning the year and what it will mean down the road. But if it results in a bridge deal, it can be beneficial.

Having said that, a bridge deal usually just means an even bigger deal a couple years later.

In the end, it will usually be the case that over time, you end up paying them about the same, regardless.