[News] Flames only qualify 4 players. 9 go to UFA on July 1st (incl Jooris, Colborne, Ortio)

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Volatile

Could one of the posters who are high on Colborne explain to me why he's such a great asset? All I've really seen is that he's tall and had 20 goals... am I missing something?

I have a completely different opinion and every time I see him on the ice I cringe so I'm quite glad to see this and hope he doesn't get signed. He doesn't have the compete factor.

Yeah, that's pretty much a hard to come by asset in this league.

If you view the rest of his game as not up to snuff, that's fine, but size and goal scoring ability are both important commodities for a player.

Personally, I understand the tough negotiation tactic that Treliving is utilizing here, and I give him room to do what he feels best with Colborne. He said he had a good talk with Colborne, but I imagine Joe is still disappointed. However, he probably also knows this is a business thing, and nothing personal since they still want him on the team, just not at an exorbitant cost. If Treliving gets him back in the fold for under $3 million, that's a good deal for what Joe can bring to the team as a middle six winger with size and ability to play all 3 forward positions.

I like Joe, and I'd be sad to see him go, but if it means improving the team and winning more games because you can go after the guy you want with his cap space, then I get it. No single player is bigger than the team, but you want to treat everyone with respect.

[puckedoff]

Lots of teams making similar moves. This not only means that we can still likely sign Colborne (settle down guys, he's tall) but if we miss out on him we can sign the unqualified RFA's from other teams. All good.

[EldrickOnIce]

Colborne was 3 for 4 in shootout last year.
He is a good net front presence guy.
After Hudler was traded, Colborne took advantage of the opportunity, which was also 'garbage time'. But better to score in garbage time than not score in garbage time, no?

[DJones]

Originally Posted by timbit

I believe that he is weak on the boards and also weak on the puck.

He is tall.

He did scored 20 goals once.

He does have upside but is 26 years old.

If he didn't have some holes in his game we'd be talking about a 5 million dollar contract not 2.5

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by DJones

He's tall, good on the boards, and scored 20 goals.

What more do you need to know?

Good on the boards? Joe Colborne? He's better on the boards than he was a few years ago but still pretty below average for any NHLer never mind one that is that tall.

He doesn't have the compete in him and looks like he is floating most of the time. Had a strong second half after having no pressure on him and even Conroy cautioned on reading too much into hot streaks at the end of a year where you're not playing for anything.

Colborne is very overrated among Flame fans. He's nothing special, 26 years old and I don't think is about to learn how to be competitive and play with a little flare.

[dammage79]

Yeah if Colborne was say locked into a 2m a year deal, there's a very good possibility you could tie that 2m up into an upgrade on RW. I'd be okay with using that space for Colborne
on a Backes or proven top 6 RW.

July 1st is going to be interesting.

[DJones]

Originally Posted by FeyWest

Why? I don't understand this both Wideman and Smid are not Tre's fault. It's a lot more complex than you are making it out to be.

Byron we've essentially got back with Chiasson.

Schlemko was a 6/7 Dman much like Nak is right now and if Smid is LTIR this isn't an issue (and is easily sent to the Minors).

Grant hasn't even really played at all so I don't see how he is in this convo at all.

Wideman is the only guy I'd be willing to Buyout but aside from that I'm more than happy waiting out the contract to expire than have to pay dead money for another year after. To trade him we need a trade partner & also Wideman needs to waive.

I can understand it's your opinion but I don't think many here are going to get out the pitchforks calling for Treliving's head if all of the above players you're worried about are moved on. Yes I would be disappointed if Nakladal is lost but he is a veteran player that we have options in the minors to replace him.

You don't have a problem with consistently losing players that would be cheaper and better than what we kept?

[Lil Pedro]

Let him walk, would rather have a guy like Shinkarek or a proven UFA take his place. Joe will have a hard time getting close to 40 points next year.

[Roof-Daddy]

So 40 contracts now that count against the contract limit. (41 including Schneider's which will slide)

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So 40 contracts now that count against the contract limit. (41 including Schneider's which will slide)

39 contracts with Schnieder, Kylington and Andersson as sliders, so more like 36

[dammage79]

Also, think I like Hathaway more a bottom 6 RW role than Jooris. He did it better in his showing with the big club.

[FeyWest]

Originally Posted by DJones

You don't have a problem with consistently losing players that would be cheaper and better than what we kept?

Not if we have options in the minors to replace them. You also have to remember where we got them from in the first place and realize there are probably others available there too.

Take Grant for example, a tweener from Ottawa. Nakladal, 28 y/o defenceman from the Czech League/KHL/Liiga. I can go on.

At the end of the day I agree that it'd be nice to keep every cheaper/better option like Nakladal (I really hope he is retained and think he will be) but I wouldn't say losing him is a black mark, like I had said maybe a grey mark.

I think if we can hold out on buying out Wideman the money we save NEXT year will be more important than what we could lose out on a Nakladal or a Grant THIS year. Especially because we have Cheap/good options developing in Stockton as well.

Now if we lost Gaudreau/Monahan/Bennett, etc... because we couldn't move a contract that's a different story I would have issue with.

[Harry Lime]

Brett Connolly not QO'd in Boston either. Would anyone take him over colborne at half the cap hit?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

even if they don't they see him as a lot more than a 14 point forward. You need to give it up man because there is nothing that suggests you are even close to being right.

Colborne had 24 points in 55 games in 15/16 before finishing the season on a 91 point pace. His previous two years, he combined for 56 points in 144 games.

That means, prior to his 1.5 month hot streak, he had scored at 0.402 ppg pace in his career as a Calgary Flame, or a 33 point pace.

Chiasson, with all his struggles last year, has managed a 0.342 ppg pace in his career, or a 28 point pace. Prior to last season, he scored at a 0.42 ppg, or a 34 point pace.

But these are TOTALLY different players on TOTALLY different tiers I guess. It's completely inconceivable that the Flames view them as remotely similar. No way Chaisson could ever be competition for Colborne, no way at all. That's just the crazy ramblings of a weirdo firmly in the grasp of reefer madness.

I suppose there's no chance that last year was an anomaly for either player? It's just as simple as 14 point player vs 44 point player?

[Royle9]

Is there a list somewhere of all the non qualified guys league wide? My google skills turned up nothing

[EldrickOnIce]

Outside of 1 year deals like Chicago has signed some guys to recently, UFA's never out perform their contracts. The nature of signing a UFA is that you have payed more than anyone else is willing to pay. So it's never good value.
Colborne scored 44 points on a contract that paid him 1.25M. This is outstanding value for the contract, and exactly what the Flames need more of. Colborne at 3.9 was exactly what they didn't need. Hope Treliving will get a good value contract done with Colborne again. They won't likely get value with a July 1 UFA

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Colborne had 24 points in 55 games in 15/16 before finishing the season on a 91 point pace. His previous two years, he combined for 56 points in 144 games.

That means, prior to his 1.5 month hot streak, he had scored at 0.402 ppg pace in his career as a Calgary Flame, or a 33 point pace.

Chiasson, with all his struggles last year, has managed a 0.342 ppg pace in his career, or a 28 point pace. Prior to last season, he scored at a 0.42 ppg, or a 34 point pace.

But these are TOTALLY different players on TOTALLY different tiers I guess. It's completely inconceivable that the Flames view them as remotely similar. No way Chaisson could ever be competition for Colborne, no way at all. That's just the crazy ramblings of a weirdo firmly in the grasp of reefer madness.

I suppose there's no chance that last year was an anomaly for either player? It's just as simple as 14 point player vs 44 point player?

I'f you honestly believe this drivel you should think of taking up a hobby easier for you to understand

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Lil Pedro

Let him walk, would rather have a guy like Shinkarek or a proven UFA take his place. Joe will have a hard time getting close to 40 points next year.

Why would you rather replace Joe, with a smaller version of himself 3 years ago? Shinkarek got a ways to go to prove he's a Colborne's level. I too hope he surpasses it, but why would you want to replace Joe with what is currently a lesser player?

[Machiavelli]

So, with Agostino gone, what's left of the Iggy trade? Klimchuk......

[bigrangy]

Hey I have a thought here. There was, to my eye and several others, a remarkable amount of quality prospects went undrafted this year. Guys like Simon Stransky, Vlad Kuznetsov, etc. All it takes to sign these guys, who many thought were basically 3rd round picks (obviously the GM's didn't), is a contract spot. This could be why they got rid of so many guys that they'd otherwise have qualified.