2016 Draft Combine

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

I think I've mentioned this before, I think you're a too close to the player in question to be objective. People who become emotionally invested in players routinely look past their most obvious flaws and try to make excuses for their shortcomings. You know, kind of like the Iginla apologists did the last three years of his career in Calgary, and continue to do since his departure. As I have said in the past, I watch the Steelheads and the guy I come away impressed with is Michael McLeaod, because he plays the NHL game. Nylander plays a pretty game, very similar to Hemsky when he as in the QMJHL. Of course you don't see the similarity to Hemsky, that would require you to admit he has shortcomings. Hemsky was decent in junior, but buttery soft in the NHL. Nylander is about as proficient in the dirty areas as Hemsky was. There are going to be people that suggest getting a player of Hemsky in the draft would be a success, but how much has Hemsky contributed to a winner? That is exactly why Nylander scares me. I'm not certain he has what it takes to contribute to a winner. That is my greatest concern about him and why I would consider other players over him.

You ought to know all about that with Jankowski.

[Krynn]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

probably says this every year, the Flames have one of the worst websites among all the pro sports pages I visit. Lacking in content, poor information, outdated information. Rebuilding team in a hockey crazy Canadian market; just maybe your fans are interested in the draft/combine. Nice that we have to go to your biggest rivals for content.
Try and find a link to the Flames scouts on their page. You can google it, which brings you to a three year old page with a bunch a people who are no longer with the organization

flames.nhl.com is

From my understanding is that the flames don't have fully control of the Web site the NHL does and they don't let the teams change it at all very often. Which is BS. I heard about it a couple years ago. I read that the flames redesigned it and showed the league and they wouldn't let them change it.I am not 100% sure if it all true but it's just what a heard and red

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by Krynn

From my understanding is that the flames don't have fully control of the Web site the NHL does and they don't let the teams change it at all very often. Which is BS. I heard about it a couple years ago. I read that the flames redesigned it and showed the league and they wouldn't let them change it.I am not 100% sure if it all true but it's just what a heard and red

Doesn't excuse what C02 is pointing out though. Team little north has much more content then the Flames ever do.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You ought to know all about that with Jankowski.

Lol, Christ. Vulcan strikes again

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by New Era

I think I've mentioned this before, I think you're a too close to the player in question to be objective. People who become emotionally invested in players routinely look past their most obvious flaws and try to make excuses for their shortcomings. You know, kind of like the Iginla apologists did the last three years of his career in Calgary, and continue to do since his departure. As I have said in the past, I watch the Steelheads and the guy I come away impressed with is Michael McLeaod, because he plays the NHL game. Nylander plays a pretty game, very similar to Hemsky when he as in the QMJHL. Of course you don't see the similarity to Hemsky, that would require you to admit he has shortcomings. Hemsky was decent in junior, but buttery soft in the NHL. Nylander is about as proficient in the dirty areas as Hemsky was. There are going to be people that suggest getting a player of Hemsky in the draft would be a success, but how much has Hemsky contributed to a winner? That is exactly why Nylander scares me. I'm not certain he has what it takes to contribute to a winner. That is my greatest concern about him and why I would consider other players over him.

Nylander is an okay option if you are looking for secondary scoring and there are no other truly dynamic offensive players available. In this case there is at least 1 (in my opinion) and maybe 2 that will be available. I think Nylander is likely going to be in that same generic genre as guys like Hudler/Hemsky. High quality 2nd line scorers that can fill in on a first line if your team has zero depth. I think that both Keller and Jost have 1st line offensive potential if they hit their potential (Keller moreso), despite their slightly smaller builds. I think Keller could be a 70 point player, much like Gaudreau, which is why I prefer him to Nylander.

McLeod does not have that higher tier of offensive skill. He'll be a good NHL player, but if you're picking that guy in the top 12 of this particular draft, you're making a Virtanen type pick, leaving better guys on the table. McLeod is good pick for a team that just missed or just made the playoffs like Boston, where you have a lot of your key parts in hand and are trying to get those last pieces to put you back into being a potential contender. However, the top 12 teams likely cannot afford to take a player that looks like he'll top out as a middle six defensive minded center, despite that being necessary on a good team.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You ought to know all about that with Jankowski.

There is some truth to this statement, I will indeed admit that. I watched a lot of the Friars because I had interest in the players the Flames drafted. I developed a bit of an affinity to the certain players on that team, Mark Jankowski being one of them. Mostly because he continued to improve and proved the doubters, yourself being one of the most vocal, wrong about his play and his development. This kid was not being judged on his play or his development, but instead being judged (unfairly) by who drafted him and a stupid comment made on the air after he was picked, so there is that difference. But on Jankowski I maintained a position on the player that was supported only by his play. I stated that he was likely to be a third line center for the Flames and that he had potential to be more as I believed the system he was playing in was holding him back from contributing on the offensive side of the puck. No fanciful declarations that he was going to be a top line talent or the most talented player to come out of the draft, just comments of his development and where he would likely fit with the Flames when he came out of school. How is that turning out for us so far Vulcan?

On Nylander, my concerns are that he turns into another Baertschi. I don't see top line talent in him. I don't see his game translating to the NHL. I see him being a perimeter pass first player. I don't see the speed, size or strength to be more than that at this time. I see a guy that would be a second line player if he develops. The downside on him is I don't think he plays in the NHL if that development doesn't happen. He isn't a player that could play down the lineup, so he is more of a high risk high reward pick. He is incredibly skilled, but he's a pretty player. I'm not sure that fits with the direction the team is going. If the Flames were in the eastern conference I would be more confident in selecting him. I have concerns about him being a success in the western conference.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by New Era

There is some truth to this statement, I will indeed admit that. I watched a lot of the Friars because I had interest in the players the Flames drafted. I developed a bit of an affinity to the certain players on that team, Mark Jankowski being one of them. Mostly because he continued to improve and proved the doubters, yourself being one of the most vocal, wrong about his play and his development. This kid was not being judged on his play or his development, but instead being judged (unfairly) by who drafted him and a stupid comment made on the air after he was picked, so there is that difference. But on Jankowski I maintained a position on the player that was supported only by his play. I stated that he was likely to be a third line center for the Flames and that he had potential to be more as I believed the system he was playing in was holding him back from contributing on the offensive side of the puck. No fanciful declarations that he was going to be a top line talent or the most talented player to come out of the draft, just comments of his development and where he would likely fit with the Flames when he came out of school. How is that turning out for us so far Vulcan?

On Nylander, my concerns are that he turns into another Baertschi. I don't see top line talent in him. I don't see his game translating to the NHL. I see him being a perimeter pass first player. I don't see the speed, size or strength to be more than that at this time. I see a guy that would be a second line player if he develops. The downside on him is I don't think he plays in the NHL if that development doesn't happen. He isn't a player that could play down the lineup, so he is more of a high risk high reward pick. He is incredibly skilled, but he's a pretty player. I'm not sure that fits with the direction the team is going. If the Flames were in the eastern conference I would be more confident in selecting him. I have concerns about him being a success in the western conference.

Some truth, heck you were making up crap that I never made. I backed off because I realized I was dealing with someone who had lost touch with something. Now for you to claim that dissentowner is suffering from the same affliction was just too easy to take a potshot.

I think Nylander would be a fine choice at six along with a couple of others such as Juolevi or the other two defenceman.

[sureLoss]

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Hearing 6 foot 6, center Logan Brown had a good interview with the #Canucks at the NHL Combine.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I don't see Shinkaruk having a problem as he likes to play a sandpaper kind of game. Can't speak for Mangiapane as I haven't seen him play much myself.

I completely forgot Shinkaruk was a Flame!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

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Hearing 6 foot 6, center Logan Brown had a good interview with the #Canucks at the NHL Combine.

Dim Jim pls strike again

[The Fonz]

I feel like the Nucks will be targeting 1 of Dubois/Brown with their pick. If the Oil take Dubois... Tkatchuk is ours!

[Table 5]

I'm hoping the Oilers take Tkachuk, the Canucks take Brown, and we have Dubois fall into our laps.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I'm hoping the Oilers take Tkachuk, the Canucks take Brown, and we have Dubois fall into our laps.

Dubois or Tkachuk and I am a happy camper

[Ashasx]

The rumour has been that the Canucks are high on PLD. Doubt they pass on him for Brown.

[Table 5]

Hopefully the Canucks are just high.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I'm hoping the Oilers take Tkachuk, the Canucks take Brown, and we have Dubois fall into our laps.

This or a trade up using 6 as the main piece for 3 would be my best case scenario. Oilers get a bust, Canucks get a Colborne who will probably actually be good, and the Flames get the best player available after the top 3.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I would be ok with the Flames getting Brown, to be honest.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The rumour has been that the Canucks are high on PLD. Doubt they pass on him for Brown.

Yep Dubois is their man if he's there as they are smitten with him. If the Oilers take him then Brown could be plan B. I hate the Flames fate being tied to these two crap organizations.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

The rumour has been that the Canucks are high on PLD. Doubt they pass on him for Brown.

http://thecanuckway.com/2016/04/29/v...016-nhl-draft/

Here's some speculation that they like Dubois and Juolevi the best. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case.

Everything revolves around EDM at #4. Will they move the pick? Will they take Tkachuk, Dubois, Brown or a dman? It could dictate who would get at #6.

More speculation about who VAN might like

http://vancouversun.com/sports/hocke...l-hope-at-no-5

Benning on Dubois:

"It was a point Benning drove home earlier this week in an interview with Ben Kuzma when he said this: “If we think a player is going to be a No. 1 line player — over a first-pairing defenceman — then we’ll take the forward.”

It seems that’s exactly what the Canucks think of Pierre-Luc Dubois, the 6-foot-3, 205-pound forward with premier talent who has played wing and centre.

“He’s good. He has the chance to be a No. 1 centre,” Benning said. “You watch those (NHL playoff) games. The San Jose-L.A. series. He’s the kind of player who can play in those types of games and be good.”"

Benning on Tkachuk:

“Tkachuk is a lot like his dad (Keith),” Benning said. “From the top of the circle in, he has real good offensive instincts.

“He’s strong on the puck. He goes to the net hard. He’s not as big as his dad was, but he has those same instincts in front of the net.”

Benning on Juolevi:

The other player who will be in the mix at five has to be a defenceman, and many believe the one currently favoured by the Canucks is Olli Juolevi, who Vancouver sees as a future top-pairing guy.

Benning said his biggest asset is his “hockey sense” it compares in some ways to a legend.

“He’s a safe, steady player,” Benning said. “He plays a little bit like Nicklas Lidstrom played.

“He reads the game so well. He has a good stick. He moves the puck. He just plays a quiet, well-rounded game.

“Maybe he doesn’t have the one separating skill, but he does everything better than average. He doesn’t shoot the puck like Lidstrom, but as far as reading the play in his own end, stick being in position, he’s solid in a lot of areas.”