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bigbadboss101 · 05-03-2016, 08:41 AM

May be he will Bring along Gibson and Getzlaf :-)

Atodaso · 05-03-2016, 08:41 AM

I'd approach Boudreau now and if he said yes, take him immediately but, depending on what happens in St. Louis, I'd definitely approach Hitchcock if no decision had been made yet and whoever said yes first, I'd take.

Johnny Rotten · 05-03-2016, 08:42 AM

Don't know if Boudreau is any better than Hartley; maybe a more colourful vocabulary.

Redliner · 05-03-2016, 08:42 AM

Whoa. This kind of came out of left field.

Yeah, the season was a bit of a mess but I don't put that at Hartley's feet. Goaltending and special teams were the Flames' downfall this year - if anyone I would point a finger at Gelinas. (as much as I love the guy, it seemed like he had no system) Personally I don't like this decision but I guess if what I've read here is true and there were major disconnects between Hartly and the players then maybe it was necessary. Still don't like it.

Treliving better have a SOLID plan in place. Like, the immediate hiring of someone who is a marked upgrade to Hartley. If this turns into one of those drawn out "we need to find the right guy" things then I will not be impressed. Hartley is a better coach than most out there IMO so if he's got to go then we better be getting someone better.

ah123 · 05-03-2016, 08:42 AM

I think this has a lot to do with a change in philosophy; Treliving wants possession style and Hartley probably didn't agree with that approach

Bend it like Bourgeois · 05-03-2016, 08:42 AM

I hope it's not for boudreau. That's a long history of stacked teams with erratic performance and not improving.

I don't think fans have any understanding of coaching and what goes on away from the cameras so I'll miss Hartley the media guy but we'll see how it goes next year.

If the flames miss again I wonder if treliving is next.

Cali Panthers Fan · 05-03-2016, 08:42 AM

Wow. I'm surprised by this move, but I'm obviously not the only one.

Enoch said it well: If you don't think Bob is your guy to start next year, don't hesitate and make the move if the season doesn't start well. That's basically ruining an entire season based on hedging your bets. Most teams don't recover after a poor start, and you can't take that risk if you think it's a distinct possibility.

I agree that Bob had a tough time adapting his game plan, but just to defend his thinking a little, when you had a good amount of success the previous season executing that game plan, it's hard to second guess the strategy in the first half of a season. However, he failed to make even small adjustments as the year went along, and the system was clearly not doing enough to support the on-ice talent.

The one thing that makes me nervous is that I'm not sure Hartley's replacement will be a massive improvement. Is it a sure thing that we hire Boudreau? A couple other teams are already interested in his services. If we go with someone like Green, is that a whole lot better? Not so sure.

However, if there's one thing I'm fairly confident in, it's the abilities of Brad Treliving. He's methodical and logical, and rarely makes decisions based out of emotion, so in that sense I trust that he fired Hartley and Co. for the right reasons. I'd like to hear what he has planned to fill the position. I'm sure he's using the same methodical process to find the right guy though.

JayP · 05-03-2016, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Boudreau? Maybe we can finally beat Anaheim. Buy do we want to aim for 1-0 games using the old trap? That was so awful to watch.

The Ducks only transitioned into a trap team this year because they were forced to. Their offense and shooting luck cratered in the first half - Boudreau did what a good coach does and reinvented his team to keep the season alive.

Contrast that to Hartley who kept game planning for the exact same stretch pass offense that worked for the Flames two seasons ago even though it was apparent very early on in the season that other teams were ready for it and made adjustments to shut it down.

transplant99 · 05-03-2016, 08:43 AM

I have a real hard time putting ANY of the blame on Hartley for last season when you consider the goaltender debacle he was presented with. So in that scenario this is a really bad decision optically.

Looking deeper however, the whole teams defensive effort for the majority of the season was abysmal. Add on the super bowl fiasco and it starts to add up to a group of players who tuned their leader out to a degree. How big that group is no one knows. Hartley was a well liked guy in general so this screams of players running the ship to some degree as well.

Hope Treliving has a pulse on this thing and is aware of what kind of guy can succeed with the group moving forward. Whether or not it's Boudreau.

Fascinating decision though.

Nammer403 · 05-03-2016, 08:44 AM

Ill miss those quotes
thanks Bob

troutman · 05-03-2016, 08:44 AM

I like the old coach more than the new coach.

Barnet Flame · 05-03-2016, 08:44 AM

I think Hartley has done a fantastic job for this team. I'm really sorry to see him go. I feared for him following the decline in performance from what was to me, the most enjoyable season in our team's history.

Thanks Bob, I'll always remember 14-15 and your wonderful witticisms.

Badgers Nose · 05-03-2016, 08:44 AM

I hated the hire back in the Feaster days, but I really grew to appreciate Bob and admitted my mistake. I'll always have a fondness because of the early rebuild playoff run.

Maybe mgmt felt the intensity fell off a bit this year, or that the team needs a system in place of hard work and raw talent. I guess we will know a year from now if this was the right move.

Flames have moved into the part of the rebuild where expectations start to get higher.

VladtheImpaler · 05-03-2016, 08:44 AM

Curious. On the one hand, I would tend to agree with Resolute that they must have some sort of commitment from the next guy (presumably, Boudreau) to fire Hartley now. On the other hand, there is all the crap around Boudreau talking to Ottawa... So... either the Ottawa stuff is BS or it's someone other than Boudreau or this is a philosophical firing (they had their post-season meetings and Hartley/management are not in agreement on the plan going forward). Anyhow, I was not a fan since day 1, so let's see what happens next...

Cali Panthers Fan · 05-03-2016, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Redliner

Whoa. This kind of came out of left field.

Yeah, the season was a bit of a mess but I don't put that at Hartley's feet. Goaltending and special teams were the Flames' downfall this year - if anyone I would point a finger at Gelinas. (as much as I love the guy, it seemed like he had no system) Personally I don't like this decision but I guess if what I've read here is true and there were major disconnects between Hartly and the players then maybe it was necessary. Still don't like it.

Treliving better have a SOLID plan in place. Like, the immediate hiring of someone who is a marked upgrade to Hartley. If this turns into one of those drawn out "we need to find the right guy" things then I will not be impressed. Hartley is a better coach than most out there IMO so if he's got to go then we better be getting someone better.

The last time the organization did that we ended up with Treliving over Benning. I'd rather get the right guy than make a snap decision.

Galakanokis · 05-03-2016, 08:46 AM

I want really a Bob fan and I'm a little surprised by this. I never figured he would be here long term but thought he deserved to start next year.

Must have their eye on someone.

GreenLantern2814 · 05-03-2016, 08:46 AM

I like Bob. He'll be the next coach in Montreal.

The last three years his team's did go through 8 game losing streaks. That can't happen.

I'm all aboard the Boudreau express - 0-4 in game 6/7 still means you got to game 6/7. Also cue the Andersen hype.

btimbit · 05-03-2016, 08:49 AM

Boudreau has the second highest winning % of any coach to coach over 100 games. Not just in the modern era, but the entire history of the league.

I want him.

Timbo · 05-03-2016, 08:50 AM

Flames news conference 10am mnt on sportsnet

MrMastodonFarm · 05-03-2016, 08:51 AM

Point totals of Hamilton, Giordano and Brodie will go down by as someone hired by the previous regime Hartley wasn't long for Flames land I suppose.

Brucey B doesn't excite me all that much, always seems like more of a yeller motivator more than an x and o's type of guy, maybe that's what we need though.