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Old 04-27-2016, 11:21 AM   #141
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A cousin who is into alternative garbage once told me that drinking your own urine had amazing restorative properties for those suffering from HIV/AIDS.
And its sterile and he likes the taste?
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I guess this is pretty relevant...with discussions on social media in regards to this case, I've seen some people posting things about David Avocado Wolfe. I've searched him and some of the products that he sells and the results were hilarious:

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Crystal Energy is the key that unlocks the potential of water as the medium for nutrient replenishment and waste removal at the cellular level...

Dr. Patrick Flanagan developed Crystal Energy, a patented form of minerals that makes water wetter.
For about $50(USD), you can have a substance that makes your water 'wetter'. To top it off, there are no listed ingredients.

Check out his website for other 'miracle' products:

http://www.longevitywarehouse.com/david-wolfes-picks

He also sells deer antler extract, and I did a quick search and came across a blurb from one of his seminars:

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Dear antler is not a product. It’s a cosmic substance. And it’s an androgenic substance, by the way—very androgenic. And it needs to be taken with respect and understanding, which is why we’ve been getting into this whole thing about estrogenic forces and then androgenic forces. You gotta know that deer antler is an androgenic force. And why? Because it’s cosmic in nature. It’s elevating. It’s levitational in nature. Which actually makes you younger. The forces of levity make you younger. Rudolf Steiner said that we gradually age due to substances in our body that are seized by the earth’s gravity. He could have said anything. He could have said anything at all, but he said that. That’s amazing. Then he said that you want to use the force of levity to drive the force of levity into your body. Then he talks about silica, that silica can be made to be levitational again.


This idiot has 5.5 MILLION followers on Facebook. People read things like this and they actually believe it. Even looking through the pictures that he posts and all the love and attention they get...it's scary. It's like the Internet has completely killed the process of critical thinking for a lot of people.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:22 AM   #143
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There's your problem.

It's supposed to be the blood of a grizzly bear who has laid with a mate ONCE, not a virgin!

Don't you know anything about medicine?
God damn it do you know how hard it was to collect the blood of a virgin grizzly Bear, and he probably wasn't a virgin after I took the blood because I'm sure that ####### raped me while I was unconscious.
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A cousin who is into alternative garbage once told me that drinking your own urine had amazing restorative properties for those suffering from HIV/AIDS.
Your cousin is Bear Grylls?
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I kind of laughed off the rest of the conversation so I can't really provide additional details.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:26 AM   #146
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I kind of laughed off the rest of the conversation so I can't really provide additional details.
Hmmm, well at least I only drank half the glass.
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Hmmm, well at least I only drank half the glass.
As long as you are effectively managing your symptoms, I think you will probably be okay.
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Old 04-27-2016, 11:37 AM   #148
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http://www.cmaj.ca/content/182/12/E569.full

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Right now, both homeopathy and traditional Chinese medicine remain almost entirely unregulated in Canada, as are most complementary and alternative medicine (CAM) practices.
Going to derail a bit on this. Some traditional chinese medicine does work.

About 10 years ago, I had a skin issue with itchy red patches/spots appearing all over.

I went to the clinic, got a prescription for some steroid cream. Didn't stop, went to my family doctor, got a different steroid cream and a suggestion to stay away from certain foods. Changed my diet and used the cream. Issues kept persisting, family doctor referred me to a dermatologist. Dermatologist diagnosed it as pityriasis rosea, gave me some different cream to try.
Issues kept on, went back to the family doctor. Not much they could figure out, just keep using the cream. Went to a different family doctor of my parents, different cream prescribed.

After 3-4 months of this, got desperate and went to a traditional chinese doctor that my parents knew. He took a few readings, pulse, temperature, etc, looked at the skin issue, gave me a bunch of herbs to boil and then drink the liquid from it. I was skeptical but with nothing improving I tried it. The skin issues went away in about 2 weeks. I was happy to stop using the steroid cream as that was changing my skin as well.

So what? For whatever reason, that crap worked. I tried every normal avenue with no success. People get desperate. I was in a lot of discomfort for that quarter of the year.

The majority of you would probably rag on me, saying that's BS and there must be another explanation and what not. But it worked for me and I was glad to get that out of my system.

That being said, I will always try the common and scientifically accepted routes for healing/treating of the body. But I am not oppose to other alternatives when all else has failed.
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Going to derail a bit on this. Some traditional chinese medicine does work.
Sure, it could work. And if it does work it should prove effective in a double blind clinical trial.

Criteria for a quality trial:
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/4/

  • Subjects are randomly assigned to a CAM therapy or a credible placebo
  • At least 50 subjects per group
  • Less than 25% dropout rate
  • Publication in a high-quality, prestigious, peer-reviewed journal

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Yes, but that is not the narrative of this thread is it now?

the general undertone of the thread is, all "alternative" medicines/treatments are clearly placebo effects and does nothing to address the actual issue. People are stupid to consider them

I'm giving an example of a case of why I tried it.

My case is opposite of the actual case in this thread (Shephan trial) where I actually I tried the "correct" methods without any improvement before I was desperate enough to try chinese medicine.

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Sure, it could work. And if it does work it should prove effective in a double blind clinical trial.

Criteria for a quality trial:
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/4/

  • Subjects are randomly assigned to a CAM therapy or a credible placebo
  • At least 50 subjects per group
  • Less than 25% dropout rate
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I think that's a good point. Anything COULD work.
You COULD feel better after something, sure.

But does it work? Let's test it, let's know it, and then let's spread that information when we know it.

"It could work" is the reasoning I give when I'm hoping for the best but expecting nothing. Not when I NEED something that will work. Building an industry around "it could work" while actively fooling people into thinking "it does work" is negligent and awful.
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Yes, but that is not the narrative of this thread is it now?

the general undertone of the thread is, all "alternative" medicines/treatments are clearly placebo effects and does nothing to address the actual issue. People are stupid to consider them

I'm giving an example of a case of why I tried it.

My case is opposite of the actual case in this thread (Shephan trial) where I actually I tried the "correct" methods without any improvement before I was desperate enough to try chinese medicine.
Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. Your results could have been caused by a myriad of other factors.
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Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. Your results could have been caused by a myriad of other factors.
I agree. It could have been a myriad of other factors. That is not the point I'm trying to show.

The point of my post is to show that there are circumstances where people will consider alternative solutions and where they are not stupid/anti-science/etc.

edit: I am against what the Stephan's did as they had an avenue to heal their child that they should have used.

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Myriad is a synonym for many. So you actually can just say "myriad factors" instead of "a myriad of other factors."

Anyway, this is the grey area that alternative practitioners love to drag you into - the area of unknowns or supplemental approaches.

I get this all the time from my crazy in-laws: "work on your diet," "get proper sleeps," "train your mind."

Yes, of course all of those things are important, but alone, they can't come close to dealing with a lot of serious things. A doctor will tell you all of those things, plus something along the lines of "well, there is a treatment we have available with well-documented success rates in laboratory settings. I have also experienced first-hand the clinical benefits."
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Myriad is a synonym for many. So you actually can just say "myriad factors" instead of "a myriad of other factors."
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Another hot debate is whether it is correct to say, "The forest contains myriad species" or "The forest contains a myriad of species." You commonly hear "a myriad of" and just as commonly hear people railing that it should be simply "myriad" because the word is an adjective and essentially equivalent to a number. You wouldn't say "There are a ten thousand of species," so you shouldn't say "There are a myriad of species," so the argument goes.

Believe it or not, most language experts say that either way is fine. Myriad was actually used as a noun in English long before it was used as an adjective, and today it's considered both a noun and an adjective, which means it can be used with an a before it (as a noun) or without an a before it (as an adjective).

Nevertheless, if you choose to say or write "a myriad of," I must warn you that you'll encounter occasional but vehement resistance. You may want to print this page, laminate it, and carry it in your wallet as a defense.
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Myriad is a synonym for many. So you actually can just say "myriad factors" instead of "a myriad of other factors."

Anyway, this is the grey area that alternative practitioners love to drag you into - the area of unknowns or supplemental approaches.

I get this all the time from my crazy in-laws: "work on your diet," "get proper sleeps," "train your mind."

Yes, of course all of those things are important, but alone, they can't come close to dealing with a lot of serious things. A doctor will tell you all of those things, plus something along the lines of "well, there is a treatment we have available with well-documented success rates in laboratory settings. I have also experienced first-hand the clinical benefits."
It sounds weird to use it an an adjective though, throughout most of its history in English myriad was used as a noun, as in a myriad of men.

What's funny is I've been watching a lot of TED talks these days and some of them are borderline alternative medicine in their style of argument...weird tricks to fix your posture, sitting is the new smoking, quick ways to improve your breathing, etc. I'm not saying they are inaccurate but they use the same populist tactics, and generally lack scientific evidence other than anecdotal evidence and baseline comedy jokes and slides. It seems like they let just about anyone give a TED talk these days.

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It is so much cleaner when used as an adjective.
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Yeah, using "a myriad of" is really the same as taking a huge dump on your paragraph.
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Myriad Harbour - song by Dan Bejar (New Pornographers)

http://browndmt.blogspot.ca/2014/05/...d-harbour.html

We can begin with “Myriad Harbour”—if it were “harbours,” it would mean there are many of them, “countless” places where you can rest from your journey. The word always carries for me a certain poetic value. It gives the sensation, which Bejar keeps—“Look out upon the myriad harbour”—of looking out upon a vast number arrayed before one. But a singular harbour—“myriad”—could mean there’s only one but it is constantly changing due to the life forms passing through it, no doubt. So “myriad” means “varied,” here.

The harbour, like the city, is always changing. Has always changed. And our relation to it changes too. Anyway, it was beautiful yesterday and today in the city, and this song's for that.
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