[PGT] Fire Sale Predictions Thread: Flames lose 4-2

[heep223]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

A 30 goal, 60 point centerman who plays PP and PK is a 2nd liner on other teams? Interesting. He has an awesome shot to boot.

It's not surprising you don't even rate Frolik as a 2nd liner then.

He qualified it as "on a contender", so that basically means the top 4 teams in the league.

Toews
Backstrom
Seguin
Kopitar

He's right - Monahan would be 2nd line C on these teams. He's not there yet.

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

I posted this in another thread in October, Monahan has done nothing to change my mind:

I've also bolded guys IMO who've taken a step since October and I would take over Monahan presently.

You'd take Kadri and Draisaitl over Monahan? Wow. Disagree

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by heep223

You'd take Kadri and Draisaitl over Monahan? Wow. Disagree

Kadri's been awesome under Babcock. He's 4 years older than Monahan though.

And Draisaitl over Monahan is a no-brainer. He's better defensively, better playmaker, quicker through the neutral zone. I think Bennett can be as good or better though if he gets a shot at C and some playing time to learn through mistakes.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Kadri's been awesome under Babcock. He's 4 years older than Monahan though.

And Draisaitl over Monahan is a no-brainer. He's better defensively, better playmaker, quicker through the neutral zone. I think Bennett can be as good or better though if he gets a shot at C and some playing time to learn through mistakes.

I could see the Draisaitl argument but I still don't agree with it. But could end up being wrong on that.

Kadri, you are completely out to lunch. With all due respect

[GranteedEV]

At the very least I don't think it's a huge difference. You could argue one over the other, especially if you look at the linemates they've had. Kadri is on a first line essentially carrying JVR and Komarov while Monahan is playing second fiddle to Gaudreau.

[polak]

To be fair, almost every center in the league would play 2nd fiddle to Gaudreau this season. Seguin is the only 1st line center that I can think of that is having a better season than Gaudreau. Kuznetsov seems to be at the same level.

Everyone else isn't having as good of a season.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

At the very least I don't think it's a huge difference. You could argue one over the other, especially if you look at the linemates they've had. Kadri is on a first line essentially carrying Grabner and Komarov while Monahan is playing second fiddle to Gaudreau.

Fixed your post.

[MarkGio]

Some possible deals I think could be made:

1) Smid at 50% retained (1.75 AAV) to the Predators for a 5th
2) Raymond at 50% retained (1.56 AAV) to the Devils for a 6th
3) Stajan at 50% retained (1.56 AAV) to the Blue Jackets for a 3rd
4) Hudler (1.2 million at deadline) to the Capitals for a 2nd
5) Jones (1.2 million at deadline) to the Canadiens for a 3rd
6a) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Red Wings for Quincey + 2nd
6b) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Avalanche for Stuart + 2nd
6c) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Stars for 2nd
7) Hiller (1.3 million at the deadline) to the Canadiens for 2nd

Obviously not all of these trades will happen, but there are some options.

[polak]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Some possible deals I think could be made:
Obviously not all of these trades will happen, but there are some options.

1) Smid at 50% retained (1.75 AAV) to the Predators for a 5th

Possible.

2) Raymond at 50% retained (1.56 AAV) to the Devils for a 6th

I don't see anyone wanting our complete dead weight. He contributes zero to this team, why would anyone take him?

3) Stajan at 50% retained (1.56 AAV) to the Blue Jackets for a 3rd

Yup this would work but I think Stajan is a solid #4 and a good vet. Rather keep him.

4) Hudler (1.2 million at deadline) to the Capitals for a 2nd

A 2nd? MAYBE if he picks it up but he has been ineffective this season and worse than Glencross was at this point last season and I doubt that the Caps would want to make that mistake again.

5) Jones (1.2 million at deadline) to the Canadiens for a 3rd

Maybe. This is actually realistic

6a) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Red Wings for Quincey + 2nd
6b) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Avalanche for Stuart + 2nd
6c) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Stars for 2nd

lol no one is throwing in extra for Wideman.

I doubt Wideman gets you anything better than a 4th at this point. He has one goal and anyone who has scouted him (i.e. everyone that would trade for him) would know how god awful he has been. I think even a 4th is optimistic and dependant on someone hoping that a change in scenery sparks some life in him.

7) Hiller (1.3 million at the deadline) to the Canadiens for 2nd

He hasn't played like he's worth a 2nd or a 3rd for that matter. Plus I think the Canadiens are set in goal, no?

[MarkGio]

^^ All good points. The Hiller was a typo; it was meant to be a 3rd.

You have to look at the market. The only sellers I see right now for defenseman are the Jets with Buff. Maybe Yandle, but the Rangers need him. There's always a shortage of RD and Wideman is snake bitten more than anything. His shooting percentage is way below his own average, let alone league average. This is evident by how much he misses his shots on the power play or fails to get pucks through. Other than that, he's playing his normal self.

I think market is another reason Hiller could be moved. There's a non existent goalie market right now and there's been a few shaky tenders.

I also think 1.56 AAV for Raymond is competitive to any equal free agent or pending RFA. It's not a bad deal with little risk for a guy only signed one more season

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

^^ All good points. The Hiller was a typo; it was meant to be a 3rd.

You have to look at the market. The only sellers I see right now for defenseman are the Jets with Buff. Maybe Yandle, but the Rangers need him. There's always a shortage of RD and Wideman is snake bitten more than anything. His shooting percentage is way below his own average, let alone league average. This is evident by how much he misses his shots on the power play or fails to get pucks through. Other than that, he's playing his normal self.

I think market is another reason Hiller could be moved. There's a non existent goalie market right now and there's been a few shaky tenders.

I also think 1.56 AAV for Raymond is competitive to any equal free agent or pending RFA. It's not a bad deal with little risk for a guy only signed one more season

The term and the salary amount play a huge role in weather a player is tradeable in a cap era. It's a major reason why you won't see Wideman traded this year. Too many teams up against the Cap can't afford a player like Wideman.

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Make your pick:

Matthews please!!!

[TheOnlyBilko]

Originally Posted by heep223

He qualified it as "on a contender", so that basically means the top 4 teams in the league.

Toews
Backstrom
Seguin
Kopitar

He's right - Monahan would be 2nd line C on these teams. He's not there yet.



You'd take Kadri and Draisaitl over Monahan? Wow. Disagree

I wouldn't take Kadri over him but Leon Draisaitl yes I would

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Some possible deals I think could be made:

1) Smid at 50% retained (1.75 AAV) to the Predators for a 5th
2) Raymond at 50% retained (1.56 AAV) to the Devils for a 6th
3) Stajan at 50% retained (1.56 AAV) to the Blue Jackets for a 3rd
4) Hudler (1.2 million at deadline) to the Capitals for a 2nd
5) Jones (1.2 million at deadline) to the Canadiens for a 3rd
6a) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Red Wings for Quincey + 2nd
6b) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Avalanche for Stuart + 2nd
6c) Wideman (1.6 million at deadline) to the Stars for 2nd
7) Hiller (1.3 million at the deadline) to the Canadiens for 2nd

Obviously not all of these trades will happen, but there are some options.

I don't see the Flames ever retaining salary. They seem philosophically against it unless the the rules call for it, like when Nik Hagman was claimed off re-entry waivers a few years ago. That's not an option anymore so I doubt we see it again.

[polak]

Originally Posted by theonlybilko

matthews please!!!

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