[News] Upd: Drouin decides to sit out until trade is completed. Lightning suspend him.

[Itse]

About the Semin comparisons:

Semin might not have had a glorious career overall, but for a few years that guy scored 30+ goals per season. Career high 40 goals and 84 points.

You don't build around guys like Semin, but if you get them at their peak, every team can find a use for that extra firepower.

Essentially, if you think Drouin might have attitude problems, you don't give him NTC:s or term, or overpay in a trade. Other than that, no problem. Losing a bit in a trade isn't the end of the world, and worth the risk in a case like this.

[Miniac]

Drouin - Bennett - Frolik

[Savvy27]

This looks like Yzerman's chance to get out of that Carle contract ($5.5 for two more seasons after this) by packaging him with Drouin and I'm sure that money could be put to use somewhere this off-season...

That would make it tough on Calgary unless they off-loaded one of their overpaid guys.

I'd love to see Treliving jump on this opportunity. Adding Drouin to the top-six would make the Flames deadly offensively in the near future. Hartley would be able to make some damn good pairs out of Droun, Gaudreau, Monahan, and Bennett.

[CliffFletcher]

Keep in mind Yzerman was almost moved by the Wings in his prime because he wasn't buying into Bowman's approach to the game. But in the end he did buy in, and under the firm direction of Bowman/Babcock and Holland the Wings won a bunch of Cups. It's safe to say that in the struggle of player vs coach, Yzerman is firmly in the coach camp. It may be an old-school approach, but the team went to the Finals lasts season, without resorting to mortgaging the future. Yzerman must be doing something right.

He might have to can Cooper at some point if they don't turn things around, but until that day comes I expect Yzerman to back his coach.

[Enoch Root]

Kassian (yes, that Kassian) bangs in a rebound to tie the game. No blame on Ortio - he made the first two saves.

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Edit: oops, wrong thread

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Anyways I offer the Flames 1st plus Russel plus Emile

Is Drouin's value still that high?

Mid 1st + late 2nd* + Poirier?
*I believe we can get a late 2nd round pick for Russell at this years deadline

I'm not saying you're wrong, but genuinely asking. His comparables (Turris, Nino) were traded for much less. I don't know that I've seen Drouin play a single game since drafted, so I really have no clue where his development is at.

If Backlund and a 2nd could get it done... That'd be fantastic. Don't imagine it would though.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

I would be against trading our 1st, regardless of lottery or not.
I don't think it's a good idea. Not in this trade anyway..

I agree he is probably worth a decent NHL player, a 2nd and a good prospect.

But if I take off my flames will get Drouin glasses....Its likely a team offers way way more than we are willing or able to. I can see a team giving a lottery 1st, a good player, prospect, and taking on Carle. Especially if there a bidding war and some bottom feeders come into it.

As for his value. I think that remains to be seen to be honest. His true value today is subjective. Depending on how you view him as a prospect and what's the problem with him / his likely hood to figure it out. I mean sure he has a value..but it's not as solid as a player like David Jones. Drouin could be out of the NHL in 3 years or he could be a perennial all star who plays like Giroux.

My heart wants him, my brain says it ain't happening in a million years. Considering we traded all those picks for Dougie, the fact that Drouin is very small and raw, also we can't afford to take Carle on unless we move someone else.

All things considered we are probably not going to be in the running at all past an inquiry.

But let's get back to dreaming!.. Enough of this rational talk.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Tampa is going to make a hockey trade here. I just don't see them making a futures trade. The Lightning are supposed to be contenders. Plus, any trade they make they have cap issues to be concerned of. They need to ship out as much salary as they receive, if not more. I think they package Drouin and an expensive defenseman for a player that can help out now, and for the next few years, along with a UFA defenseman that help them out on the back end. I doubt Tampa gets the big return being suggested by some here.

[CliffFletcher]

No interest in Drouin. I don't see the point in giving up a 1st rounder or top prospects for a soft skilled forward with entitlement issues. Better for the Flames to develop their own guys and let someone else take on the risk of Drouin. If we're going to blow prime assets to speed up the rebuild it should be for a power winger with size or a minute-eating defensive d-man who can help keep the puck out of our net.

[Jaydee]

Hudler @50% and Russel

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by New Era

Tampa is going to make a hockey trade here. I just don't see them making a futures trade. The Lightning are supposed to be contenders. Plus, any trade they make they have cap issues to be concerned of. They need to ship out as much salary as they receive, if not more. I think they package Drouin and an expensive defenseman for a player that can help out now, and for the next few years, along with a UFA defenseman that help them out on the back end. I doubt Tampa gets the big return being suggested by some here.

I have a feeling Tampa could get an insane deal just based on the speculative value of a young player who can't get any more talented offensively. He cracked the WJC at 17, and I remember hearing an interview with the other players and they were all just blown away by his skill. I think a lot of teams will look at this and think hey, this could be our seguin.

I'm going to guess they get

Good, experienced UFA dman,
1st round pick, maybe lottery.
Meh - decent - OK level prospect.

For

Drouin
Carle

[sureLoss]

There was never a question about Drouin being skilled enough. He oozes skill.

What NHL GMs are asking now is does he have what it takes mentally/physically to be a star in the NHL? And whatever is holding him back in Tampa, can they fix it on their respective team?

If one GM thinks so they will offer a lot. If the consensus is no, then the offers won't be so great.

[Monahan For Mayor]

No way do I include a first in any offer.

[IgiTang]

I think Gelinas would be great for Drouin and also with smaller young guys like himself who ooze skill, may be the best environment for him.

Sure Tampa has some great room guys but somethings in the air there and it stinks by the... Smell or sound of things?

Could be great.

And remember, McKinnon/Drouin thing was only for over a season.. McKinnon got hurt in his final season and Drouin played out the majority on his own playing with Martin Frk.

Coming to YYC for Drouin would get him more games AGAINST McKinnon which may entice him a bit.

Oh and we just crushed the Avs 4-0

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Is Drouin's value still that high?

Mid 1st + late 2nd* + Poirier?
*I believe we can get a late 2nd round pick for Russell at this years deadline

I'm not saying you're wrong, but genuinely asking. His comparables (Turris, Nino) were traded for much less. I don't know that I've seen Drouin play a single game since drafted, so I really have no clue where his development is at.

If Backlund and a 2nd could get it done... That'd be fantastic. Don't imagine it would though.

I doubt it's that high. I think a little more than Connolly returned sounds about right. Both are former top 5 picks by the Lightning, both are wingers struggling to find their way. Drouin is a bit younger with a higher ceiling and and lower floor IMO, I don't see why he'd be worth much more. The most I'd do is Poirier+2nd.

[Hackey]

Ya I don't see Drouin's value being even close to Bennett's. Bennett had a strong playoff showing and has performed pretty well in his rookie season. I think almost everyone expects Bennett to only get better. He has proven he can play in this league. Drouin on the other hand hasn't lived up to expectations and has a lot of question marks now. I don't think that completely kills his trade value but I don't think hes anywhere near the value of Bennett anymore. Sven would be a better comparable. Not value wise but in terms of declining value because they didn't live up to expectation.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

There was never a question about Drouin being skilled enough. He oozes skill.

What NHL GMs are asking now is does he have what it takes mentally/physically to be a star in the NHL? And whatever is holding him back in Tampa, can they fix it on their respective team?

If one GM thinks so they will offer a lot. If the consensus is no, then the offers won't be so great.

Sometimes players need a change for different reasons and sometimes team needs can factor in. I remember a lot of people questioning Dougie Hamilton's attitude; Tyler Seguin had issues in Boston but seems to be working out fin in Dallas. It's not always perfect but some marriages work better than others. I think it's worth the risk for a player with that type of skill even if we have to offer a first to do it.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Sometimes players need a change for different reasons and sometimes team needs can factor in. I remember a lot of people questioning Dougie Hamilton's attitude; Tyler Seguin had issues in Boston but seems to be working out fin in Dallas. It's not always perfect but some marriages work better than others. I think it's worth the risk for a player with that type of skill even if we have to offer a first to do it.

NO ONE questioned Hamilton's attitude until after the trade. And then the Boston media started to do their thing.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I doubt it's that high. I think a little more than Connolly returned sounds about right. Both are former top 5 picks by the Lightning, both are wingers struggling to find their way. Drouin is a bit younger with a higher ceiling and and lower floor IMO, I don't see why he'd be worth much more. The most I'd do is Poirier+2nd.

Connolly was 6th overall and was nearly 23 when he was traded (well according to NHL stats but anyone who's seen Connolly knows he's about 40). Drouin isn't 21 yet and has already bested any of Connolly's seasons. He's a year and a half removed from putting up 2.4 points per game in the QMJHL. If he doesn't find his game in the NHL in the next 2 years then he'll be on the same path as Connolly, but right now he still has huge potential.

And I mean, even with his struggles, he put up 32 points in 70 games as a 19 year old last season. Bennett is on pace for 31. Completely different players, far from complete, but Drouin isn't some bust just yet.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Connolly was 6th overall and was nearly 23 when he was traded (well according to NHL stats but anyone who's seen Connolly knows he's about 40). Drouin isn't 21 yet and has already bested any of Connolly's seasons. He's a year and a half removed from putting up 2.4 points per game in the QMJHL. If he doesn't find his game in the NHL in the next 2 years then he'll be on the same path as Connolly, but right now he still has huge potential.

And I mean, even with his struggles, he put up 32 points in 70 games as a 19 year old last season. Bennett is on pace for 31. Completely different players, far from complete, but Drouin isn't some bust just yet.

Fair enough but really, how much more valuable than Connolly is Drouin? Twice as much? Two 2nds vs... what? Klimchuk+Poirier+2nd? There is no way he worth a potential lotto pick unless TB adds IMO.

Connolly will at the very least be a 3rd/4th liner with top 6 upside. Drouin is top 6 or bust with a remote (in my opinion anyway) chance at becoming elite.

This time next year Drouin is in the same boat as Connolly was if he doesn't turn it around. Waiver eligibility just over the horizon with time running out for him to realize his potential. At that point, he will be closer to Baertschi than Connolly given his trade request and limited versatility.