[PGT] Flames beat Devils 3-2

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

2 points in his last 7 games. Where does this 'sell high' come from?

I think every GM in the league knows that Hudler has been useless this season. Playing with Johnny Hockey just about every game and not doing anything with it. In a contract year no less..

As I stated in my post, his 13 pts in 20 games is pretty much on par with his normal output of points. Hardly useless. Has he played soft recently? Yes. But he's never been very physical to begin with. Has he been less noticeable recently? Sure he has. But he's damn near on pace for what he normally scores. Last year was an anomaly and we're all starting to see it. Extending him with large term and a high cap hit (which he has every right to seek out) would be a mistake.

I guess selling high might mean we should have traded him while we were winning last season. But what kind of message would that have sent to the team? He is coming off a career year, so I would consider his stock to be fairly high at the moment, even with him regressing to his normal output.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

With Jones you also have to wonder if he is one of those players that just seems to elevate his game in contract years.

His yearly production seems to support that theory.

Jones is another player who's value might be considered pretty high as the season goes along should he keep this pace. I'm confused why so many people want to re-sign him so eagerly. Where was this guy the last 3 seasons? Suddenly he's on a good streak in contract year. Color me shocked. He's also on the wrong side of 30. I like Jones and all, but he's another guy who's not part of the future and should be dealt for assets.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Jones was good last season too, not scoring as much but who knows if he maintains this pace. Wouldn't mind see him riding shotgun on the Gadreau Monahan line. Monahan and him played well with Glenncross early last season.

Let's not get fooled though, he shouldn't be brought back and should be dealt at the deadline. Between him Hudler and Russell we could potentially have a nice haul. Hudler has been rather invisible but he's still on pace for 50+ points.

[Hackey]

Jones should be a prime deadline trade. If he can keep scoring some team might definitely want to add him for some depth as a rental. No way should the Flames be bringing Jones back. Hopefully Hudler can pick up the production and we could land a nice package for him as well. Russell still on the fence depending on how much money he wants but if a nice package is available for him I say pull the trigger.

[mile]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

2 points in his last 7 games. Where does this 'sell high' come from?

I think every GM in the league knows that Hudler has been useless this season. Playing with Johnny Hockey just about every game and not doing anything with it. In a contract year no less..

If Glencross was able to get us picks at the deadline last year, surely Hudler would still have significant value. I agree he's been invisible this season, but his overall point total so far isn't bad and his season last year are probably the first things other GMs are looking at.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

With Jones you also have to wonder if he is one of those players that just seems to elevate his game in contract years.

His yearly production seems to support that theory.

Early in this contract, Jones was fighting knee problems. Even for us he's been pretty injury prone. Also, his 27 goal season, he played a lot with Stastny (scored 6 goals while on that line), and Duchene (scored 9 goals while on that line). That's a sure step up from the playmakers he's played with for Hartley. Add in 2:23 power play time and it's a recipe for putting up goals. He's got a great shot in the slot IMO, just needs linemates setting him up.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Early in this contract, Jones was fighting knee problems. Even for us he's been pretty injury prone. Also, his 27 goal season, he played a lot with Stastny (scored 6 goals while on that line), and Duchene (scored 9 goals while on that line). That's a sure step up from the playmakers he's played with for Hartley. Add in 2:23 power play time and it's a recipe for putting up goals. He's got a great shot in the slot IMO, just needs linemates setting him up.

1.) Gaudreau - Bennett - Jones
2.) Jones scores at a ridiculous place
3.) Trade Jones for a 1st+ at deadline if we're out of race

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by mile

If Glencross was able to get us picks at the deadline last year, surely Hudler would still have significant value. I agree he's been invisible this season, but his overall point total so far isn't bad and his season last year are probably the first things other GMs are looking at.

Glencross was also half the price and used to be the type of player you'd want in the playoffs.

I feel like GM's would first look at what he's done lately, not what he did last year. Hudler was also useless in the playoffs last year, so that's not helping his trade value.

I'm not opposed to trading him at the deadline, but it seems silly to say dealing him now would be selling him high.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Early in this contract, Jones was fighting knee problems. Even for us he's been pretty injury prone. Also, his 27 goal season, he played a lot with Stastny (scored 6 goals while on that line), and Duchene (scored 9 goals while on that line). That's a sure step up from the playmakers he's played with for Hartley. Add in 2:23 power play time and it's a recipe for putting up goals. He's got a great shot in the slot IMO, just needs linemates setting him up.

Eh.. no one is saying that he was playing bad in non-contract years, just that is his numbers would go significantly up in contract years.

Also the fact that his best offensive seasons were propped up by playing with Stastny and Duchene makes it even more likely that the 30 goal pace he is currently on is more likely an aberration granted the injuries do make the picture fuzzy.

[Coach]

I've liked Jones minus his first season (which I believe he was injured for most of as well). Helping us get rid of Tanguay and Sarich was really his only upside that season. But he has settled into a two-way power forward role quite well and, although he's not worth the price tag he currently has, I would happily keep him for $1mil or 2 less.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

1.) Gaudreau - Bennett - Jones
2.) Jones scores at a ridiculous place
3.) Trade Jones for a 1st+ at deadline if we're out of race

You're dreaming if you think Jones gets us a 1st, even a low first.

[joejoe3]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

You're dreaming if you think Jones gets us a 1st, even a low first.

and then watch Brad "Troll"iving strikes again...

[ScorchyScorch]

If Jones has 20 goals at the deadline, who's to say he couldn't nab a 1st. Or at minimum a Glencross return.

I personally would just keep him as a 3rd line RW though.

[CsInMyBlood]

Originally Posted by handgroen

now forgive me because i was at the game, but was gio not the one who dove out from behind the net to stick check cammy on his late game wrap around?
taking a lot of flack but that was a game saver.

Yeah it was.

Not sure if it has been mentioned, Gio also caused a goal. He slid into Ramos stick opening up the 5 hole on the one goal. Ramo even tried to put his glove behind him to stop it as it went through his legs but to no avail.

My biggest issue with Gio is how tired he always looks, even at the beginning of the game. Its like his legs are gone. Remember last year if the puck went into his corner he was like a mad man, fighting with everything he had, never giving up. Most of the time he won the battle. If he didn't he would fight like a crazy man to get it back.

This year he just always looks exhausted. His decision making is so bad too.

Very bizarre indeed.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by ScorchyScorch

If Jones has 20 goals at the deadline, who's to say he couldn't nab a 1st. Or at minimum a Glencross return.

I personally would just keep him as a 3rd line RW though.

His salary is an issue in regard to the return.

I actually like him a lot and think he is underappreciated. It's possible he is more valuable on this team which currently has no cap issue, than on contending team that would have to make some salary room.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

His salary is an issue in regard to the return.

I actually like him a lot and think he is underappreciated. It's possible he is more valuable on this team which currently has no cap issue, than on contending team that would have to make some salary room.

Salary won't be a huge issue, though. It'll be pro-rated and he's a pending UFA, so a team is likely looking at about $1-$1.5mil plus the Flames could also retain half that to make it even more enticing.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Salary won't be a huge issue, though. It'll be pro-rated and he's a pending UFA, so a team is likely looking at about $1-$1.5mil plus the Flames could also retain half that to make it even more enticing.

Sure, but the teams interested are going to be the ones really close to the cap. Which is also pro rated practically speaking.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure, but the teams interested are going to be the ones really close to the cap. Which is also pro rated practically speaking.

What's also pro rated? Not sure what you're referring to there. The cap is the cap the whole year through, but the salaries are pro rated if you add them late, which is why contending teams always add decent players on expiring contracts at the deadline.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Sure, but the teams interested are going to be the ones really close to the cap. Which is also pro rated practically speaking.

Cap isn't a concern, just let it go. There are buyers and sellers every deadline. Desirable players always come with a price tag.

Also, any teams that are interested will likely be interested because one of their regulars is on LTIR. That means cap relief to aquire the player.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Cap Space and spending isn't pro rated. If a team has 4 million of cap space at the start of the year they still have 4 million half way through the season, not two.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Cap Space and spending isn't pro rated. If a team has 4 million of cap space at the start of the year they still have 4 million half way through the season, not two.

Yes but halfway through a season a team with 4 million cap space half way through the season can take on a player who has an 8 million cap hit for a full season.