Ramo vs Hiller vs Ortio: The Debate

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yes they can, they can do much worse.

Get rid of one ASAP. Preferably with a return. But either as part of a tandem with Ortio is fine and it likely doesn't make a difference. Just move one.

Hiller at 1/2 salary should be able to return something half decent.

Not sure anyone would take him off waivers, tbh

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Not sure anyone would take him off waivers, tbh

which is probably why at half price he should have decent value (if you're talking about Hiller)

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

which is probably why at half price he should have decent value (if you're talking about Hiller)

The issue is not how much he's paid, the issue is that he's not very good. Why would any team want Hiller for even 900k unless he was free (asset wise)? There are basically endless options out there for teams if they want a below average goalie, no need to trade for one.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

which is probably why at half price he should have decent value (if you're talking about Hiller)

Fair enough, I was talking in regard to a decent return for him at half salary.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

Fair enough, I was talking in regard to a decent return for him at half salary.

Ok, although I think he has value at half salary, I do agree that he would clear waivers.

By "decent return" I was thinking a pick (3rd or so), at half salary.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Ok, although I think he has value at half salary, I do agree that he would clear waivers.

By "decent return" I was thinking a pick (3rd or so), at half salary.

If they could get a 3rd for Hiller, even retained, I'm pretty sure it would've happened already.

[FireGilbert]

I was expecting the play til you lose set up from last season only with three goalies instead of two. Very disappointed to only see Ramo and Hiller in net so far.

[Dr. Doom]

Every day, multiple times a day, I refresh this forum thinking that surely there will be a significant decision made on the goalie situation...

... and every day I'm disappointed...

I thought highly of Treliving last season and while I still think he's capable this situation is making me doubt his ability to pull the trigger more and more.

Before you know it this season will be in jeopardy, and that's not trying to be dramatic, but unless he doesn't know who his top 1/2 goaltenders are he needs to make a move its really that simple.

The team needs to move beyond this, its actually scary that some kind of decision hasn't been made by now.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Every day, multiple times a day, I refresh this forum thinking that surely there will be a significant decision made on the goalie situation...

... and every day I'm disappointed...

I thought highly of Treliving last season and while I still think he's capable this situation is making me doubt his ability to pull the trigger more and more.

Before you know it this season will be in jeopardy, and that's not trying to be dramatic, but unless he doesn't know who his top 1/2 goaltenders are he needs to make a move its really that simple.

The team needs to move beyond this, its actually scary that some kind of decision hasn't been made by now.

Pretty fragile team if not trading one of our goalies puts the season in jeopardy . A bit dramatic no?

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Pretty fragile team if not trading one of our goalies puts the season in jeopardy . A bit dramatic no?

But don't you perhaps think that both the older goalies are perhaps a bit nervous because they know one bad night could see them traded/waived? All 3 know they could potentially be gone imminently, to the AHL at the very least.

I think that might be in part to blame for some of the errors Hiller and Ramo have made. I don't think it's an excuse for the terrible play infront of them, but Treliving needs to make a call. If it means waiving one and risking a pickup, so be it. But to let it go on any longer is just silly. Get rid of 1(Ramo, Hiller, Ortio, in that order) and get this issue over and done with. Then we might see the 2 guys left gain confidence from knowing they are likely around for the duration of the season and things can settle down.

[1_Flames_Fan]

Flames definitely need to upgrade their goaltending and I'm sure they know it as well. They are just not in a position to do that right now with the contracts they have in place. Remember what having an elite goalie can do? I sure miss Kipper :-(

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Flames definitely need to upgrade their goaltending and I'm sure they know it as well. They are just not in a position to do that right now with the contracts they have in place. Remember what having an elite goalie can do? I sure miss Kipper :-(

Yup he was born and traded for 10 years too soon.

Edit: that being said the cup run was pretty fun.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

If they could get a 3rd for Hiller, even retained, I'm pretty sure it would've happened already.

I guess that depends if management feels that a 3rd or 4th round pick is worth 2.25 million.

[Reign of Fire]

There was no point in signing Ramo, unless you had a taker for Hiller. Ortio needs to be given a shot here, we can't keep rotating Hiller and Ramo, hoping to increase their value

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

There was no point in signing Ramo, unless you had a taker for Hiller. Ortio needs to be given a shot here, we can't keep rotating Hiller and Ramo, hoping to increase their value

Which goalie to start is Hartley's call, and he's choosing the goalie that he thinks will give the team the best chance to win. He's not playing Hiller to try and increase his trade value.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

There was no point in signing Ramo, unless you had a taker for Hiller. Ortio needs to be given a shot here, we can't keep rotating Hiller and Ramo, hoping to increase their value

They are not trying to increase Hiller/Ramo trade value. Hartely has said he see's Ortio as the #3 goalie. It's as simple as that.

[Flamefan1]

I attended the Flames game last night and Hiller made me and all around us nervous every time he stopped or handled the puck. He made very routine shots look difficult, and in goals 2 & 3 allowed 2 routine shots to become goals. The Flames were starting to look good until the second goal which would have been stopped by most midget goalies. After the 3rd goal the Flames looked deflated. It was obvious they had lost confidence in their goalie to make difficult saves. This is not an excuse for rest of the team as it appeared most were not into the game with exception of Gaudreau, Jones and a few others including Kulak.

I watched the Jets game on Friday and I thought Ramo looked actually fantastic with the exception of his mistake in the last minute that resulted in the loss. I love his athletic skills and I think when Hiller is sent down to the minors or traded we will be pleasantly surprised with Ramo and Ortio as a team. Unfortunately I believe Ramo would be claimed on waivers and not a chance will Hiller be traded or claimed on waivers.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I guess that depends if management feels that a 3rd or 4th round pick is worth 2.25 million.

Resolving this situation is worth $2.25m IMO. Any compensation is a bonus.

Owners may not agree and I suppose that's all that matters but there is a chance he (or Ramo @ $3.8m) could just as easily end up on waivers and the Flames could risk paying him to not even play on the team. If that's the case then I think the first scenario is preferable. There's a decent chance Treliving will end up having to make that choice. Those might only be the only two options available if he waits for too long, and they keep playing horribly.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

I attended the Flames game last night and Hiller made me and all around us nervous every time he stopped or handled the puck. He made very routine shots look difficult, and in goals 2 & 3 allowed 2 routine shots to become goals. The Flames were starting to look good until the second goal which would have been stopped by most midget goalies. After the 3rd goal the Flames looked deflated. It was obvious they had lost confidence in their goalie to make difficult saves. This is not an excuse for rest of the team as it appeared most were not into the game with exception of Gaudreau, Jones and a few others including Kulak.

I watched the Jets game on Friday and I thought Ramo looked actually fantastic with the exception of his mistake in the last minute that resulted in the loss. I love his athletic skills and I think when Hiller is sent down to the minors or traded we will be pleasantly surprised with Ramo and Ortio as a team. Unfortunately I believe Ramo would be claimed on waivers and not a chance will Hiller be traded or claimed on waivers.

Ramo is slightly better on his best day (but worse on his worst day) but they both aren't very good so it doesn't matter.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Flamefan1

I attended the Flames game last night and Hiller made me and all around us nervous every time he stopped or handled the puck. He made very routine shots look difficult, and in goals 2 & 3 allowed 2 routine shots to become goals. The Flames were starting to look good until the second goal which would have been stopped by most midget goalies. After the 3rd goal the Flames looked deflated. It was obvious they had lost confidence in their goalie to make difficult saves. This is not an excuse for rest of the team as it appeared most were not into the game with exception of Gaudreau, Jones and a few others including Kulak.

I watched the Jets game on Friday and I thought Ramo looked actually fantastic with the exception of his mistake in the last minute that resulted in the loss. I love his athletic skills and I think when Hiller is sent down to the minors or traded we will be pleasantly surprised with Ramo and Ortio as a team. Unfortunately I believe Ramo would be claimed on waivers and not a chance will Hiller be traded or claimed on waivers.

There is not a chance in hell that Ramo would be claimed on waivers. He is a no- name #1b goalie at best, making $3.8 million.

The only goalie that would not clear waivers is Ortio. That said if they don't play him for another month, maybe he would clear waivers also.