The bleeding heart crew might want to sit back and wait this one out.
Where does he show the clock he found opened up to match Ahmed's clock? And he was off by a decade where he was sure it was a mid 70's clock. That article was a lot of words but not much substance or proof he used that clock. And definitely didn't make a good point the kid was looking for attention or made a hoax bomb.
The easy answer would be he used old existing parts to make his own clock. Don't think he was claiming he physically engineered every single part in the clock.
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Where does he show the clock he found opened up to match Ahmed's clock? And he was off by a decade where he was sure it was a mid 70's clock. That article was a lot of words but not much substance or proof he used that clock. And definitely didn't make a good point the kid was looking for attention or made a hoax bomb.
The easy answer would be he used old existing parts to make his own clock. Don't think he was claiming he physically engineered every single part in the clock.
He did clarify at the end he got the date of manufacture wrong on the clock but his points still stand, this kid did nothing but take apart a clock and put it into a hard case which begs the question, what point does that even serve?
Keep grasping, but this was nothing but a troll job, the media, The Potus and even Zuckerberg got pulled in hard trying to white knight.
Yeah, I saw this yesterday, and kinda raised my eyebrow at it. I have no tolerance for racial profiling, or discrimination, but it looks like this kid might have been doing a bit of a troll job, and it backfired pretty bad on him. It is clear he invented/built nothing. He took the case off of a clock, that's it. The big tip off for me was the ribbons and circuit boards. DIY projects look nothing like that.
I really hope that he wasn't trying to exploit the real racial stereotypes that do exist, for some sort of personal gain or attention. He was wrongly stereotyped, but I wonder if that is exactly the reaction he was going for.
LOL. So now the kid is a master manipulator who just changed the casing on the clock for his own personal gain?
Yes, let's lose all focus on the overt racism that occurred by authoritative figures here because this kid clearly did not invent the clock!
In a nation where people are openly stating things like "there's a problem in this country - muslims" and not being challenged on it, people really think this incident is being blown out of proportion? Really?
How far do people want to reach in order to dismiss the real issue here?
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“People at the school thought it might be a bomb,” he said on the show, “because it looks exactly like a #####ing bomb.”
Maher, is right about the school and police response, and that people need to get some prospective, but is wrong about it being OK because he's middle eastern.
It's OK because people shouldn't take something that looks like a bomb to school. It doesn't really matter that he's middle eastern or not.
And I have to believe the majority of people defending him are only defending him because of race.
It's just a dumb story with no prospective from anyone, the school should have the right to stop kids from bring things that look threatening into their building
In a nation where people are openly stating things like "there's a problem in this country - muslims" and not being challenged on it, people really think this incident is being blown out of proportion? Really?
1. People are being challenged on that and rightly so. They are immediately identified as racists and broadly pilloried for it.
2. Yes. This is fairly apt from that article linked up there:
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I think the whole event – and our collective response, with everybody up to the President chiming in, says a whole lot about us. We don’t care that none of us were there and knows what happened, we jump to conclusions and assume we’re experts. We care about the story, but we don’t care about the actual facts. {...} We like to play social justice warrior on our Facebooks and Twitters, posting memes and headlines without digging in behind the sensationalism, winning bonus sensitivity points in the forms of likes and re-tweets. Once group-think kicks in, we rally around hash tags and start shouting moral outrage in a deafeningly loud national chorus.
That seems to be what this thread is about.
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Here's a fact: it wasn't a bomb, it was a digital clock in a pencil case.
Does anyone care about that one? Or is it just about the moral outrage bandwagon of "well it could have been a bomb because I saw a movie once and I think that's what a bomb looks and maybe this kid designed an exotic explosive to look like the foam liner of a pencil case because he's a boy genius from a comic book".
I do have to wonder, though, if the teachers and cops actually lose sensitivity points for not evacuating the school because they believed there was an actual working bomb sitting in front of them. I mean what is wrong with the adults in this situation? They think there is a bomb right there! It's a bomb people! Get the children out of the building! Everyone is in danger! What were they waiting for? Were they waiting for the bomb to go off?
This absolutely nails it, many people don't care about the facts only about jumping aboard their favourite moral outrage bandwagon.
Which is the exact problem the cops have. You have to decide if you want cops investigating possible crimes or just taking people's word for it. Like, "he looks innocent enough, we're out of here" is kind of the reverse of racial profiling.
Also interesting to note this kid's school is 25 miles from Garland, TX. No shortage of nutters on both sides there.
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Here's a fact: it wasn't a bomb, it was a digital clock in a pencil case.
Does anyone care about that one? Or is it just about the moral outrage bandwagon of "well it could have been a bomb because I saw a movie once and I think that's what a bomb looks and maybe this kid designed an exotic explosive to look like the foam liner of a pencil case because he's a boy genius from a comic book".
I do have to wonder, though, if the teachers and cops actually lose sensitivity points for not evacuating the school because they believed there was an actual working bomb sitting in front of them. I mean what is wrong with the adults in this situation? They think there is a bomb right there! It's a bomb people! Get the children out of the building! Everyone is in danger! What were they waiting for? Were they waiting for the bomb to go off?
This has been explained like a dozen times now. Not sure what you don't get. The kid wasn't being investigated for having a bomb.
He did clarify at the end he got the date of manufacture wrong on the clock but his points still stand, this kid did nothing but take apart a clock and put it into a hard case which begs the question, what point does that even serve?
Keep grasping, but this was nothing but a troll job, the media, The Potus and even Zuckerberg got pulled in hard trying to white knight.
What point was that? That he found an old clock? That he didn't even show how it matched Ahmed's? Just because one of the parts Ahmed used was found in that clock doesn't mean he just opened up an old clock and claimed it was his. Now he could have done that but that article is trash and doesn't prove anything. I'm sure the kid didn't claim to make the clock from scratch.
Which is the exact problem the cops have. You have to decide if you want cops investigating possible crimes or just taking people's word for it. Like, "he looks innocent enough, we're out of here" is kind of the reverse of racial profiling.
Also interesting to note this kid's school is 25 miles from Garland, TX. No shortage of nutters on both sides there.
This has been explained like a dozen times now. No sure what you don't get.
Oh I "get" the "explanation", but it's just bull####, so it actually hasn't been explained.
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I don't think the issue here is whether or not the teachers reacted in a reasonable manner, but how the police handled the situation.
1. Teachers were right to call police IMO if they genuinely feared it could've been a bomb. Honestly, better to be safe than sorry.
2. The school authorities handled this situation like ####. Firstly, why wasn't the building evacuated? I mean, if there's a bomb threat then what on earth are you thinking by keeping the children inside the building? And why was no bomb squad called in?
3. The police made this a lot bigger of a story than it could have been, I think. They detained a 14 year old after it was clear the object was not a bomb. No parents, guardians or attorney, which he had every right to have with him. The kid pled his innocence over and over again and yet they still found it reasonable to take a 14-year old kid for interrogation.
Why are people still trying to argue that he didn't actually create a clock because he disassembled an older one and put it in a box? Big deal. He never once claimed it was anything other than a clock. I doubt he would show his teacher the clock if his intention was for it to purposely look like a bomb. The kid was excited and the police overreacted.
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Just because one of the parts Ahmed used was found in that clock doesn't mean he just opened up an old clock and claimed it was his.
That's exactly what happened. This kid did not make or invent anything the guts of an old clock were clumsily bolted into a pencil case and now Ahmed is being hailed as some sort of genius.
But most people don't care about any of that, it is all about racism and how horrible every teacher in the school is and how racist the police are.
I think people need to look at this without skin color. I personally believe if any kid of any skin color opened that thing up in a school, there would be cause for alarm (no pun intended.) The fear of the school is probably based more on the trend of school violence than Mohammed's skin color or religion. School shooting and violence are more a "white kid named Jeff." problem anyway.
As with anything, looking at this from the other side. If this story had panned out differently, and the kid was named Jeff, and the thing was a bomb that killed 10 students, everyone would be chastising the teacher for being such an idiot and not heeding the warning signs. The school erred on the side of caution and the media made this the race issue. Had this been a white kid named Jeff, this wouldn't even have made news.
That's exactly what happened. This kid did not make or invent anything the guts of an old clock were clumsily bolted into a pencil case and now Ahmed is being hailed as some sort of genius.
But most people don't care about any of that, it is all about racism and how horrible every teacher in the school is and how racist the police are.
The quality of the clock and the kids intelligence is irrelevant. The question is whether the authorities took the right steps in this situation. I would argue no.
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-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
Oh I "get" the "explanation", but it's just bull####, so it actually hasn't been explained.
No you don't because the fact that it wasn't a bomb is totally irrelevant to the investigation that happened. If you understood that you wouldn't bother mentioning the fact that it wasn't a bomb because it's pointless. It doesn't mater. A block of cheese and a paper clip could be used as a hoax bomb.
I think people need to look at this without skin color. I personally believe if any kid of any skin color opened that thing up in a school, there would be cause for alarm (no pun intended.) The fear of the school is probably based more on the trend of school violence than Mohammed's skin color or religion. School shooting and violence are more a "white kid named Jeff." problem anyway.
As with anything, looking at this from the other side. If this story had panned out differently, and the kid was named Jeff, and the thing was a bomb that killed 10 students, everyone would be chastising the teacher for being such an idiot and not heeding the warning signs. The school erred on the side of caution and the media made this the race issue. Had this been a white kid named Jeff, this wouldn't even have made news.
OK I'll take race right out of it.
Random kid brings his science project to school. Shows it to teachers, claims it is a clock. Another teacher later sees it and feels uneasy. Teacher proceeds to confiscate the potential bomb and call authorities. So now the teacher is holding the bomb and the school hasn't been evacuated. Authorities handcuff the kid and still haven't evacuated the school, meanwhile trying to determine threat level.
This seems like a really really stupid way to handle a potential bomb situation.
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What point was that? That he found an old clock? That he didn't even show how it matched Ahmed's? Just because one of the parts Ahmed used was found in that clock doesn't mean he just opened up an old clock and claimed it was his. Now he could have done that but that article is trash and doesn't prove anything. I'm sure the kid didn't claim to make the clock from scratch.
Well except that he did show it matched and it's common knowledge now that's all the kid did, but yeah keep hand waving with cattle excrement to try and support the notion that this was just a bunch of white people picking on a poor brown kid, because that's what you want it to be.
