2015 NFL Season Thread

[lifetime_flamesfan]

So the Steelers were getting the Patriots radio feeds in the first half of the game.

When will those Patriots stop the cheating. Now they've takin to cheatin for the other team now as well.

[Sylvanfan]

A 7 point final but the Patriots pretty much owned the game. Pittsburgh won't get very far with that defence.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

That's cute coming from a canucks fan.

[Skaloper]

Originally Posted by lifetime_flamesfan

So the Steelers were getting the Patriots radio feeds in the first half of the game.

When will those Patriots stop the cheating. Now they've takin to cheatin for the other team now as well.

How are they helping the Steelers cheat?

They were unable to communicate plays offensively or defensively to their own team. Sure they had the Patriot radio feeds but they are probably calling plays that are foreign and mean nothing to the Steelers.

Ridiculous how they allow one team to have radios and not the other.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I was talking about allowing defences to have a radio just like offenses and the new mandatory "Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules" as the new rules introduced.

You said:

It is not a coincidence that in 2007 all the rules that the NFL implemented, were exactly the things that the Patriots were rumored to be doing up until that point.

I gave you the rules that were implemented in 2007. None of them were because of the Patriots. The defenses were allowed to have the radio helmets from a 2008 rule change. If you think that rule was because of the Patriots, that is still only one rule. That's not even multiple rules, never mind "all the rules".

The personal conduct policy was implemented in 2007, however to attribute Goodell's personal conduct policy to the Patriots is a giant stretch. The first two guys were suspended under it before the policy was announced. One was a Bengal and the other a Titan.

If you want to make something up, at least make it more difficult to prove false, than five minutes of research.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by lifetime_flamesfan

So the Steelers were getting the Patriots radio feeds in the first half of the game.

When will those Patriots stop the cheating. Now they've takin to cheatin for the other team now as well.

To clear up a misnomer, that was never corrected by Collinsworth or Michaels, the NFL runs the communication devices. It has nothing to do with the home team.

Originally Posted by Skaloper

How are they helping the Steelers cheat?

They were unable to communicate plays offensively or defensively to their own team. Sure they had the Patriot radio feeds but they are probably calling plays that are foreign and mean nothing to the Steelers.

Ridiculous how they allow one team to have radios and not the other.

Although you missed his green text, you also missed a few more things. The headsets that weren't working properly were the ones used to communicate between coaches. They were still able to send the plays into the offence and defence. Once Tomlin informed the refs of the problem, the Patriots headsets to communicate between coaches were shut off as well. Both teams were on equal playing field here. As I mentioned, this was an NFL issue, not a Patriots issue.

[Flabbibulin]

Just to clarify- the Steelers coaches were getting the Patriots radio broadcast- as in the play by play and color commentary (presumably the CBS 98.5 feed). They werent getting the play calls from the Pats coaches or anything. Either way, most reports seem to be confirming this system is controlled by the NFL, and while there are sure to be some jokes about it in the media tomorrow, Im guessing this is forgotten in days.

[dirk diggler]

Better get Ted Wells to investigate this now and drag it on for 7 months

[SuperMatt18]

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Originally Posted by squiggs96

You said:


I gave you the rules that were implemented in 2007. None of them were because of the Patriots. The defenses were allowed to have the radio helmets from a 2008 rule change. If you think that rule was because of the Patriots, that is still only one rule. That's not even multiple rules, never mind "all the rules".

The personal conduct policy was implemented in 2007, however to attribute Goodell's personal conduct policy to the Patriots is a giant stretch. The first two guys were suspended under it before the policy was announced. One was a Bengal and the other a Titan.

If you want to make something up, at least make it more difficult to prove false, than five minutes of research.

Jesus I said 2007 instead of 2008, not a huge deal.

Also I never said personal conduct policy, I was referring to this (which you would know if you actually read the article).

http://espn.go.com/pdf/2015/0902/esp...ritypolicy.pdf

Specifically page 4 where the policies read like a dirt sheet of what the Patriots were accused of doing. And it may not be in the game day rule book, they are still rules that Owners, Coaches and GMs had to sign off on and follow.

But don't worry you are the truly right and unbiased source on this subject. All of the other GMs, Owners, U.S. senators and media members that are writing articles are crazy and are just out to get the Patriots.

[habernac]

"Where is Roger?" *clap, clap, clap, clap, clap*

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

To clear up a misnomer, that was never corrected by Collinsworth or Michaels, the NFL runs the communication devices. It has nothing to do with the home team.



Although you missed his green text, you also missed a few more things. The headsets that weren't working properly were the ones used to communicate between coaches. They were still able to send the plays into the offence and defence. Once Tomlin informed the refs of the problem, the Patriots headsets to communicate between coaches were shut off as well. Both teams were on equal playing field here. As I mentioned, this was an NFL issue, not a Patriots issue.

Nope, they weren't.

Pittsburgh's staff was incensed that officials didn't force the Patriots to turn their own headsets off when the Steelers' problems were reported, a team source told Yahoo Sports. Instead, New England apparently maintained all communications while Pittsburgh's issues were being investigated. The source added that as late as the team leaving the stadium, the Steelers still hadn't been provided an answer for why the Patriots were allowed to continue their communications, rather than both simply being shut down to fix the issue. Pittsburgh will file a complaint with the league office on both fronts – the equipment failure and officials not turning off headsets on both sidelines, the source said.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source-...065304894.html


Edit: Still - that is a League issue - not a Patriots one. Still is HORRIBLE optics.

[habernac]

Belichick said his headphones were also acting up all game.

"We had a lot of problems," Bill Belichick said. "We had to switch headphones a couple of times. The communication system wasn't very good. We deal with that, it seems, weekly.

"They told us they were on the verge of shutting it off, but then I guess they got it working. I don't know, but it was a problem the whole game. We almost had to switch helmets with [Tom] Brady there at the end. Couldn't get the plays in to him. It was a problem all night."

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/13...-patriots-game

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

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Jesus I said 2007 instead of 2008, not a huge deal.

See, that's how it starts. The Mort tweet stated 11/12 balls were 2 PSI below the minimum. People took that as gospel for many months. You said every rule in 2007. Not one rule in 2007 was attributed to them. Now you're saying it's 2008, and it's down to one. It's a huge deal way you say something as fact, that is complete rubbish.

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Also I never said personal conduct policy, I was referring to this (which you would know if you actually read the article).

http://espn.go.com/pdf/2015/0902/esp...ritypolicy.pdf

Specifically page 4 where the policies read like a dirt sheet of what the Patriots were accused of doing. And it may not be in the game day rule book, they are still rules that Owners, Coaches and GMs had to sign off on and follow.

We are talking about the same thing. Once again, besides taping from an illegal location, what proof has there been that doesn't come in the former of a jaded ex-employee (which several have been proven to be found lying), or jilted opponents that were beaten?

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

But don't worry you are the truly right and unbiased source on this subject. All of the other GMs, Owners, U.S. senators and media members that are writing articles are crazy and are just out to get the Patriots.

I never said I was unbiased. I am definitely right though. Who are all the other GMs, owners, and US senators? That's some nice hyperbole there Matt.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Nope, they weren't.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/source-...065304894.html


Edit: Still - that is a League issue - not a Patriots one. Still is HORRIBLE optics.

Ahhh. I read that this morning, and I stand corrected. During the game, Al and Cris said they were shut off.

[Bobblehead]

And the Raiders have signed Aldon Smith to a 1 year contract.

http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san...e34880220.html

[Senator Clay Davis]

Bizarre signing considering Smith is likely to get a 1-year ban soon. Unless this is for the 2016 season?

[d_phaneuf]

He's eligible for Sunday but unless they had talked with the league and had a good idea about what a suspension might end up being seems a weird signing

He was telling people he wanted a 1 year prove it deal

in terms of on the field, Mack on one side and Smith on the other rushing the QB is a huge plus, gives them one of the best pash rushing duos in the league, and really limits teams from doubling on on Mack

[d_phaneuf]

the one thing they have done the last few years is really focused on character guys, and avoiding headcases either in FA or the draft

so it just seems out of left field

[GirlySports]

RULES QUESTION!

Was I correct in hearing what I thought last night?

Team A kicks PAT, PAT is good, defensive penalty on the play.

Team A could elect to:
-Decline, PAT is good
-Accept, rekick PAT from 5 yards closer
-Accept, choose to go for 2 and enforce the penalty from that spot, giving them the ball on the 1 yard line for 2pt conversion?

That last one seems wacky but I swear I heard Al Michaels say it.

[Jason14h]

Accept, choose to go for 2 and enforce the penalty from that spot, giving them the ball on the 1 yard line for 2pt conversion?

Correct.

The team has the option on every PAT to go for it from the 2 or kick from the new spot.

When the penalty occurs the team gets the same options with the penalty enforced