2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Red Menace]

I suppose I would be fine with a deal involving Hiller for Lehner, but it doesn't sound like that's what Ottawa wants.
We don't have any real top 6 forwards that we should be trading.
And it seems doubtful they'd want any of our bottom 6 guys.....

[Jason14h]

Why is everyone so opposed to getting a goalie who is proven.

Hiller wasn't started in the 2nd round, showing to some extent the team doesn't trust him. Ramo is a UFA. Ortio is unknown.

Shopping for a goalie shows this team isn't content with a 1 year playoff run and going back into a full rebuild where you can wait 3 years and see what goalies you have.

[sempuki]

Cgy is always involved in all these things -- BT just works the phones well and stays on top of everything.

It's possible that we end up with a younger goalie than Hiller if the price is right, but more likely it's positioning to drive up the price on Edm, or have more leverage with Hiller/Ramo.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why is everyone so opposed to getting a goalie who is proven.

Hiller wasn't started in the 2nd round, showing to some extent the team doesn't trust him. Ramo is a UFA. Ortio is unknown.

Shopping for a goalie shows this team isn't content with a 1 year playoff run and going back into a full rebuild where you can wait 3 years and see what goalies you have.

Which proven goalie are you referring to? I don't think anyone has expressed opposition to improving our goaltending.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

Why is everyone so opposed to getting a goalie who is proven.

Hiller wasn't started in the 2nd round, showing to some extent the team doesn't trust him. Ramo is a UFA. Ortio is unknown.

Shopping for a goalie shows this team isn't content with a 1 year playoff run and going back into a full rebuild where you can wait 3 years and see what goalies you have.

Talbot doesn't seem to be any less of a stopgap than somebody like Ramo.

Fewer games. Not much younger. UFA next season.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by sempuki

Cgy is always involved in all these things -- BT just works the phones well and stays on top of everything.

It's possible that we end up with a younger goalie than Hiller if the Price is right, but more likely it's positioning to drive up the price on Edm, or have more leverage with Hiller/Ramo.

Let's turn this into a Carey Price to Calgary rumour and see if we can get Dreger to bite

[MisterJoji]

I don't get all the goalie talk. I'd much rather see how our own guy, with high potential, turns out. Ortio also has solid numbers in limited sample size. Plus we have another near blue chip level goalie waiting in the wings. Run a platoon with Hiller or Ramo (take your pick) and Ortio. I'd much rather give our own guy, who we've invested years of development in, a chance than a goalie another team deemed expendable.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

didn't he keep the NYR on pace for the president's trophy this year while Lundvquist was out??

He played 36 games, and had better gaa and sv% than the king during that time.

My main fear would be that the rangers have one of the best D cores in the league. Is there any normalization that needs to be applied when viewing the strong goaltending that was seen in NYR this year?

Exactly, and this relates to my griping in the "goal scoring" thread. Look at who is going to the finals - teams can win with average goalies, if the team in front of them is good enough. Hell, if the Oilers knew how to play defense, Scrivens and Fasth are probably good enough, as they were fine when playing in LA/Anaheim. The guys we had here were pretty mediocre (aside from an early stint) and we still had a huge year and beat the Canucks and their "superstar" goalie. Talbot, Lehner et al are not worth the price being asked, as the marginal improvement over what we had would me tiny/non-existent. Put Hiller behind NYR and he would be great too. There is no reason to pay anything beyond a 3rd/4th rounder for any of these guys. They are all "average" NHL goalies.

[sureLoss]

Sounds like the Sabres could put Grigorenko on waivers to start the season (assuming he doesn't sign in Russia)

Mike Harrington @BNHarrington
GMTM says he understands Grigo could get claimed on waivers but they don't think he's an NHL player yet. Others may.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

According to a source close to the Kings, talks are still "ongoing" between the Los Angeles GM Dean Lombardi and Sekera's agent Allan Walsh.

The two sides would like to get a long-term contract ironed out, but Sekera's annual salary appears to be a stumbling block, for the time being.

It's believed Sekera is looking for around $4.5 million, per year, on a new deal.

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/los150617.html

[sureLoss]

Per Lebrun leafs have filed for salary arbitration with Jpnathan Bernier

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

http://www.thefourthperiod.com/news/los150617.html

Sekera at 4.5 for 5 years?

If that's what it would take as a UFA, would you do that?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Matt Cooke is on waivers as per Rishaug.

[sureLoss]

Matt Cooke on waivers. First buyout?

[codynw]

I hope he clears. Human garbage.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Sekera at 4.5 for 5 years?

If that's what it would take as a UFA, would you do that?

I would do that in a literal heartbeat. That seems really cheap, I would think LA would've signed him yesterday if that's all it takes. That sounds like the amount they want to sign him for, rather than what he's asking. This is a world where Brooks Orpik is worth $5.5m over 5 years as a UFA, how does Sekeras get less than that?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Yeah, if those numbers are close then I don't see how the Kings don't sign him sooner than later.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

didn't he keep the NYR on pace for the president's trophy this year while Lundvquist was out??

No.

He put them on pace for the President's Trophy while Lundqvist was out.

My main fear would be that the rangers have one of the best D cores in the league. Is there any normalization that needs to be applied when viewing the strong goaltending that was seen in NYR this year?

That's why you isolate percentages for different danger scenarios.

Among goaltenders with over 2000+ minutes played (35 goalies) Talbot was:

27th best in low danger shots (wide angle point / wing shots)
8th best in stopping medium danger shots (i.e. high slot / center point)
5th best in stopping high danger shots (i.e. right in the slot)

while Lundqvist who had the same defense in front of him, was 7th, 20th, and 16th in those same categories.

Price, on the other side of the coin, was 4th, 5th, and 7th in the three categories.

Hiller was 14th, 30th, 8th best - you can see why Belesky ate him alive

Ramo was 12th, 28th, 31st best - you can see why Belesky ate him alive

You could make an argument that the older Lundqvist benefitted from the Rangers' team defense more, but also didn't let in as many weak goals. But you also saw Lundqvist's lateral mobility get exposed by the Lightning.

I guess the real question is if Talbot's sample size is big enough to say his performance was as good as it was. What we know though, is that Calgary is a team that allowed a good deal of medium/high danger shots on goal, so Talbot if he's not just playing way over his head, could indeed be a great fit on our team.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

No.

He put them on pace for the President's Trophy while Lundqvist was out.




That's why you isolate percentages for different danger scenarios.

Among goaltenders with over 2000+ minutes played (35 goalies) Talbot was:

27th best in low danger shots (wide angle point / wing shots)
8th best in stopping medium danger shots (i.e. high slot / center point)
5th best in stopping high danger shots (i.e. right in the slot)

while Lundqvist who had the same defense in front of him, was 7th, 20th, and 16th in those same categories.

Price, on the other side of the coin, was 4th, 5th, and 7th in the three categories.

Hiller was 14th, 30th, 8th best - you can see why Belesky ate him alive

Ramo was 12th, 28th, 31st best - you can see why Belesky ate him alive

You could make an argument that the older Lundqvist benefitted from the Rangers' team defense more, but also didn't let in as many weak goals. But you also saw Lundqvist's lateral mobility get exposed by the Lightning.

I guess the real question is if Talbot's sample size is big enough to say his performance was as good as it was. What we know though, is that Calgary is a team that allowed a good deal of medium/high danger shots on goal, so Talbot if he's not just playing way over his head, could indeed be a great fit on our team.

wow thanks. i didn't even realize such stats (shot quality) are even tracked and available.

[GranteedEV]

You can view them here:

http://war-on-ice.com/goalietable.html

The one thing that is missing, which is something Flames internal stat guy seems to track, is saves made on cross-ice pass shot attempts.