Airbus A320 Plane crashes in the Alps

[polak]

Here goes the mental illness card again. I absolutely hate that defense at this point.

People making excuses for the 1 headcase that killed 150 people. What we should really be doing is remembering the other 150 people that lost their lives on that flight.

Frankly the faster we forget about that sick ####, the better.

People that are fit for life on this earth, DO NOT KILL 150 INNOCENT PEOPLE.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Its a tough call. Who knows how many people avoided a similar situation by going to a doctor and getting help? People would just end up not going to the doctor if they wanted to keep flying.

Personally I'm torn because its liberty and privacy versus public safety to me.

I would assume that pilots have to take regular physicals, I would assume that they have to take fairly regular mental health checks. I just believe and its in any job that can put the public at risk that public safety needs to supercede the right to privacy.

To me from what I'm hearing, this guy shouldn't have been flying, and if this note said the same then he should have been obligated to forget about the patients rights and gone to his employer with his concerns.

If this makes me a bad guy then so be it. 150 people are dead because of what I see as a conflict that possibly shouldn't exist.

[stazzy33]

Originally Posted by polak

Here goes the mental illness card again. I absolutely hate that defense at this point.

People making excuses for the 1 headcase that killed 150 people. What we should really be doing is remembering the other 150 people that lost their lives on that flight.

Frankly the faster we forget about that sick ####, the better.

People that are fit for life on this earth, DO NOT KILL 150 INNOCENT PEOPLE.

People that are fit for life on this earth, also don't make comments like the above in forums...

[T@T]

Originally Posted by stazzy33

People that are fit for life on this earth, also don't make comments like the above in forums...

Why not? he's 100% right!

Well, maybe not quite 100%, afterall there are some people who liked what Hitler did.

[polak]

Originally Posted by stazzy33

People that are fit for life on this earth, also don't make comments like the above in forums...

What was wrong with my comment?

[DownInFlames]

Vilifying the mentally ill adds to the stigma. That stigma is keeping them from getting proper treatment. Treatment that could prevent events like this.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Vilifying the mentally ill adds to the stigma. That stigma is keeping them from getting proper treatment. Treatment that could prevent events like this.

He spent 6 months in treatment. And by the sounds of it, it was recommended he doesn't fly airplanes. He disregarded it likely because of the 'stigma' he would likely have suffered as a result, seeing as this recommendation came the day he did this. His answer? Take 150 people with him.

Sounds like the experts made the right assessment in this case.

Also, your post is skating a very thin line in passing the blame to 'society' not Cptn. Mass Murder.

[Dagger]

I don't see how anyone can have any sympathy for the pilot. He killed 150 people knowingly. This is not blame society, or the poor man. He's a cretin.

[polak]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Vilifying the mentally ill adds to the stigma. That stigma is keeping them from getting proper treatment. Treatment that could prevent events like this.

He received treatment and the dumb #### still flew and held this crucial info from his employer.

He's scum and deserves to rot in hell.

[pylon]

It used to be blame the individual.

Then it was blame the victim.

Now it's blame society.

Even if this guy was bullied, tormented, picked on, publicly shunned, cyber-bullied, stigmatized, made to wear a dunce cap in the centre of town and painted with a scarlet letter, left at the alter, and forced to watch his girlfriend hook up with another dude, his reaction still isn't justified. And he's still a piece of garbage.

Nobody wants to take accountability any more. It's always someone else fault.

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by polak

Here goes the mental illness card again. I absolutely hate that defense at this point.

People making excuses for the 1 headcase that killed 150 people. What we should really be doing is remembering the other 150 people that lost their lives on that flight.

Frankly the faster we forget about that sick ####, the better.

People that are fit for life on this earth, DO NOT KILL 150 INNOCENT PEOPLE.

Wasn't making excuses for pilot

But I believe you are over simplifying

[Kavvy]

Originally Posted by pylon

It used to be blame the individual.

Then it was blame the victim.

Now it's blame society.

Even if this guy was bullied, tormented, picked on, publicly shunned, cyber-bullied, stigmatized, made to wear a dunce cap in the centre of town and painted with a scarlet letter, left at the alter, and forced to watch his girlfriend hook up with another dude, his reaction still isn't justified. And he's still a piece of garbage.

Nobody wants to take accountability any more. It's always someone else fault.

His fault yes.

Again, this isn't what I was trying to say.

Trying to promote people realizing that we have a issue in society where we ignore mental health and it is only hurting us.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Kavvy

His fault yes.

Again, this isn't what I was trying to say.

Trying to promote people realizing that we have a issue in society where we ignore mental health and it is only hurting us.

I disagree, billions of dollars are spent each year to help people who want to be helped, problem is it's a fine line between peoples rights when it comes to people who don't want the help and are dangerous.

For instance Elliot Rodger's family tried to get help for their son 6 months before he murdered six and injured more last May, they even had the cops go to his apartment and talk to him, he fooled them and in the end he clearly didn't want help...he just wanted to kill before he died.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by polak

Here goes the mental illness card again. I absolutely hate that defense at this point.

People making excuses for the 1 headcase that killed 150 people. What we should really be doing is remembering the other 150 people that lost their lives on that flight.

Frankly the faster we forget about that sick ####, the better.

People that are fit for life on this earth, DO NOT KILL 150 INNOCENT PEOPLE.

It's not an excuse to have a mental illness that you didn't ask for. Compassion can be for both people and not just one or the other.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by T@T

I disagree, billions of dollars are spent each year to help people who want to be helped, problem is it's a fine line between peoples rights when it comes to people who don't want the help and are dangerous.

For instance Elliot Rodger's family tried to get help for their son 6 months before he murdered six and injured more last May, they even had the cops go to his apartment and talk to him, he fooled them and in the end he clearly didn't want help...he just wanted to kill before he died.

If someone is a threat to himself or others they can be put away in a hospital against their will. Even in cases where they don't want help.

[polak]

I have zero compassion for him.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by pylon

He spent 6 months in treatment. And by the sounds of it, it was recommended he doesn't fly airplanes. He disregarded it likely because of the 'stigma' he would likely have suffered as a result, seeing as this recommendation came the day he did this. His answer? Take 150 people with him.

Sounds like the experts made the right assessment in this case.

Also, your post is skating a very thin line in passing the blame to 'society' not Cptn. Mass Murder.

I'm surprised his GP, shrink or whatever didn't forward his reccomondations on to his employer. Relying on a patient to pass that type of info along was a huge mistake that cost 150 people their lives.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by pylon

He spent 6 months in treatment. And by the sounds of it, it was recommended he doesn't fly airplanes. He disregarded it likely because of the 'stigma' he would likely have suffered as a result, seeing as this recommendation came the day he did this. His answer? Take 150 people with him.

It sounds like you agree with me somewhat. We can't know for sure why he stopped treatment, but it's possible he felt shame for being sick. If there was more support he might not have made the tragic decision to kill himself and those 150 people.

Also, your post is skating a very thin line in passing the blame to 'society' not Cptn. Mass Murder.

Nope, I blame the pilot. He made the decision to take those lives. I just think we can do better to help people not make that decision in the future.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dion

If someone is a threat to himself or others they can be put away in a hospital against their will. Even in cases where they don't want help.

Yes, the provision is there (that's why I say there is help for mental illness) but people seem to think people with a mental illness are also stupid and don't know how to hide before they do their dirty deeds.

They do and obviously history says they will always find a way.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by Dion

I'm surprised his GP, shrink or whatever didn't forward his reccomondations on to his employer. Relying on a patient to pass that type of info along was a huge mistake that cost 150 people their lives.

Unless it was a mandated review for his work, I'm pretty sure that information would be confidential and an incredible breach for a GP to release to an employer.